Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amy Shoremount-Obra


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Wizardman 02:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Amy Shoremount-Obra

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This article fails to meet notability requirements for wikipedia. The productions she has been in, although at some notable places, have all been as a student or as a "back up" in case the scheduled artist gets sick. Extensive searches for media coverage have turned up nothing but a passing mention of Shoremount-Obra in one news article and an advertisement for a non-notable recital. The facts of this page are based almost entirely on the subject's own website.Nrswanson (talk) 00:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. This one is very close to approaching notability, but she is under 30 and I can't see any evidence that she has made it yet. I'll reconsider my 'delete' if anyone comes up with anything solid. The article was created by SPA Operanutbabe. -- Klein zach  01:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Non-notable - and seems to be more for selfpromotion than for useful information.--Smerus (talk) 10:12, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep I think her two recordings alone, which are apparently the only recordings of these works, are sufficient to establish notability. I'm pretty sure that neither age nor SPA are reasons to delete, nor can I share Smerus' view about the lack of useful information. (Also, I can't get my head around the fact that Nrswanson committed 24 edits before nominating the article for deletion.) Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:12, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I improved the article with the hope that something better would come up in my searches for independent news coverage. Some of her opera work with Opera Theater of St. Louis seemed promising and possibly some of her recitals but no media coverage turned up. That's a good point about the recordings. They are student recordings though (made at the Manhattan School of Music). Not sure that is notable enough...Nrswanson (talk) 14:20, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per Kleinzach and Smerus. I don't see our notability standard being met here. Eusebeus (talk) 14:37, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep This is a notable singer we have here. She is young and rising. She is the founder of a world class opera company that is quickly becoming well-known in the opera world. She is also on the Principal Aritst Roster of the Metropolitan Opera!!! Do you have any idea how presitigious that is? There are only about 30 sopranos in the world on that Roster!! see for yourself: www.metopera.org —Preceding unsigned comment added by Operanutbabe (talk • contribs) 23:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note to Operanutbabe: Wikipedia has a 'Conflict of Interest' policy, see COI. -- Klein zach  23:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Unlike what operanutbabe suggests, this achievement is not all that remarkable. Shoremount-Obra has never actually performed in a production at the Metropolitan Opera and the hiring of aspiring artists as cover artists by the Met is a normative practice. Shoremount-Obra has yet to appear in a major role with a notable company (or in fact even a good regional company) anywhere. Also, her non-profit opera company is a small affair without an orchestra and without much press. This is basically a case of major self promotion and a conflict of interest. A note to opera nut, wikipedia does not catalogue "up and coming artist". Artists have to have established themselves to a certain extent before they are notable enough for a wikipedia article. Nrswanson (talk) 23:29, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In fact there's no link to the so-called 'Principal Artist Roster' either above or on the article. I've googled 'Metropolitan Opera Principal Artist Roster' but again I haven't found this page. -- Klein zach  01:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It is on there but notice it just says "artist roster" and not "principal artist roster": here. And notice her bio at the Met: . It's totally empty because she has never performed there (do a search in the archives. 0 results.) or anywhere else of note for that matter. Zero notable performances and thus nothing in her Met bio. How can an opera singer who hasn't performed in a notable production be notable?Nrswanson (talk) 01:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I admire the chutzpah in calling a student production  'pre-professional' . -- Klein zach  01:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


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