Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ana Free


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Wizardman 16:14, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Ana Free

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Per WP:BAND. No Independent reliable source proves her notability. No news on Google News (PT):. I couldn't find her CD on any stores. Seems to be only an amateur singer. It was deleted once on pt-wiki: pt:Wikipedia:Páginas para eliminar/Ana Free 1. It is under AfD again on pt-wiki: pt:Wikipedia:Páginas para eliminar/Ana Free. Tosqueira (talk) 20:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Portugal-related deletion discussions.   —Tosqueira (talk) 21:26, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Youtube-fad-wannabe. Hús  ö  nd  21:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- WilliamH (talk) 21:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete: Is it likely that someone who is not already a fan or the artist herself would consider this content as meriting inclusion in WP? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreftymac (talk • contribs)
 * Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 08:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Notable Artist This article does establish notability on at least 3 separate criteria as required by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MUSIC . Any one of these criterion requires keeping the article; all three of them make it indisputable.  Please also note that the artist’s main following seems to be both Portuguese (via TV, radio, and concerts) and international (via YouTube).  It would be helpful not to assume that all notability must be US/UK based, even though the artist does appear to have a significant fan base in those areas.  In this case, the artist is a national musical icon in Portugal, largely through appearances on national Portuguese TV and radio.

10. “Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album, etc.” - Artist’s song “20 Days” was included on FNAC Portugal’s “Special Release” compilation album to benefit cancer research (40,000 unit distribution).

11. “Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network.” - Artist’s first single “In My Place” is in rotation on major Portuguese national radio network Antena 3.

12. “Has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network.” - Artist has been the subject of a 35 minute interview and broadcast on major Portuguese national radio networks RTP and Antena 3 (9 Jan. 2008) - http://www.nme.com/video/id/SXQRq3GPHF0/search/rtp - Artist has been the subject of a 30 minute interview and broadcast on major Portuguese national radio network Radio Clube Português (5 Jan. 2008) – http://www.radioclube.clix.pt - Artist has been the subject of a 30 minute documentary on Portuguese national TV station TVI (4 July 2007) – performance component documented here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-fpWguN17s

Based on meeting at least 3 of the criteria, I am requesting that this page be removed from the “to-be-deleted” list. (TB-Al-x (talk)) —Preceding comment was added at 14:23, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Both of those stations did live shows with that artist duration of 1-2 hours! There are videos of those broadcasts available on the official YT channels of those radio stations.Those radio stations also play her first single (which actually is in the stores already check out Itunes and Amazon for example). There where countrywide TV appearances on TVI Portugal and SIC Portugal. Its hard to come up with links to those past broadcasts also for copyright reasons. There is a short cut of the TVI one on that artists You Tube channel itself see here TVI Portugal. Using Google to search for Ana Free lead to 6.910.000 results. Countless Independant Blogs, Lyrics & Chords sites, Fan sites. She also had appearances in not music related Magazines such as the Soup Mag. The article itself is not available (print media) due to copyright reasons. However they did a Promo Video which is available on their Web appearance SoupMag (TB-Al-x (talk)) —Preceding comment was added at 10:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Do not delete I fail to understand why 24000 subscribers and million of video views do not prove notability by itself. Anyhow thats just a personal thought. Here some links to neutral mass medias showing that Artist
 * Radio Antena 3 Blog biggest radio station in Portugal
 * Radio Clube Bloganother independant radio station
 * Comment - Per WP:V you have to find reliable sources of criteria 10, 11 and 12. No results on Google News PT: . Tosqueira (talk) 19:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete, (self?) promotion of an amateur singer. Probably going to be deleted for the second time in PT/wiki . --Nice poa (talk) 02:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * regarding Comment Artist appearance on Google News PT is not a good standard for judging notability in Portugal. Portuguese band Per7ume, who currently hold the number one song in the country on national radio and iTunes charts, only appears once in Google News PT – and that appearance is for a minor festival performance.  However, they are known and recognized as one of the major Portuguese pop bands at the moment (and have the airplay and sales to prove it).  Artists’ notability is not reflected in Google News if the artists are up-and-coming or not prone to melodrama.  The artist in question (Ana Free) has video documentation (via the links provided) of national TV and radio performance in Portugal. (TB-Al-x (talk))


 * regarding (self?) promotion I am not Ana Free. (TB-Al-x (talk)) —Preceding comment was added at 16:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - I didn't find anything to fit her in WP:MUSIC but more then 1 million views! for an artist from a 10 millions habitants country seems notable per common sense. We must remember that WP:MUSIC is a guideline, not a law. Caiaffa (talk) 19:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, "one million views" is not even a guideline. And your definition of common sense is, well, not so common. She fails WP:MUSIC, as even you say so, and that's all we need to know. Hús  ö  nd  19:27, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * One million views on Youtube. You just have to ask your friends and relatives to reload the page hundreds of times a day. Tosqueira (talk) 19:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep TB-Al-x's reasons convinced me. Radioinfoguy (talk) 13:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I see you are a sporadic contributor. Please read WP:MUSIC in order to better grasp our concept of notability for musicians. Hús  ö  nd  14:45, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * As per TB-Al-x, this subject has met notability guidelines. I may not meet your definition of a Wikipedia expert, but the artist has met WP:MUSIC guidelines.  I vote Keep. Radioinfoguy (talk) 17:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Then I believe you should read WP:MUSIC and WP:RS. *sniff, sniff* do I smell a sockpuppet? Hús  ö  nd  19:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have read it, thank you. Read TB-Al-x's 10,11, and 12 above.  I think what you are sniffing is Ana Free's notability.  Funny how you try to discount a differing opinion. Radioinfoguy (talk) 21:26, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have read them too, and still find no reliable, verifiable sources on 10, 11, 12. It is funny indeed. Hús  ö  nd  22:45, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete No reliable sources from which to write an article. You tube hits cannot equal notability. --Daniel J. Leivick (talk) 16:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:MUSIC:
 * 10. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article.)
 * On the website of Fnac PT I couldn't find that album. That album is probably non-notable.
 * 11. Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network.
 * According to the article: "Despite offers from major and independent labels, Ana Free is currently devoted to finishing her studies." If she refused recording, how is it possible to put her "single" in rotation? Who recorded her "single"?
 * 12. Has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network.
 * No reliable sources.
 * In conclusion, she isn't notable yet. Delete Tosqueira (talk) 05:50, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It was deleted on pt wiki: pt:Wikipedia:Páginas para eliminar/Ana Free. Tosqueira (talk) 16:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It was deleted on es wiki: . Tosqueira (talk) 21:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It was deleted on fr wiki: . Tosqueira (talk) 21:52, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - this is a borderline case, but she has not released anything yet, and the youtube numbers are not high enough to be truly outstanding --T-rex 23:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


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