Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ana James


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The result was keep. Yunshui 雲 水 10:33, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Ana James

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Does not appear to pass WP:MUSICBIO or GNG. Deprodded by User:Paora with "has toured nationally, e.g. in NZ with NZ Opera and in UK with Glyndebourne on Tour" but is this sufficient? I don't think so, MUSICBIO suggests subject needs to receive significant coverage of such tours, and this is missing here. Thoughts? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:18, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  10:18, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been notified to WikiProject Opera. Voceditenore (talk) 12:03, 4 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment. I have expanded, updated, and re-referenced the article with reviews of her performances. However, this is a rather borderline case. Normally, for opera singers we consider two or more performances in major roles with leading opera companies to be sufficient. But in this case, she has smaller roles with a leading company (The Royal Opera), and leading roles with a variety of 2nd-tier companies, e.g. Opera Holland Park, New Zealand Opera, Toulouse Opera, etc. Singing with Glyndebourne on Tour does not have quite the same status as appearing on the main stage during the official Glyndebourne Festival. She appears to be no longer very active as an opera singer. I cannot find any performances since about 2013. On her LinkedIn page, she describes herself as a "Freelance Opera Singer/Singing teacher". See also her entry at Operabase. It's empty. Voceditenore (talk) 11:55, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Kudos indeed for expanding this and the informed analysis. Is there any place this could be plausibly merged to and redirected per WP:PRESERVE (and keeping in mind WP:TOOSOON)? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:17, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * With the further additions by OrestesLebt, especially the recordings, I've decided to !vote "Keep" (see below). In any case there would be no plausible target to merge this to. It's also not really a case of too soon. She had an eleven-year career, and ended up singing leading roles internationally. So I've come off the fence. Voceditenore (talk) 17:18, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - She fails both WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. Kudos to Voceditenore for your work improving the article, you have done it so significantly. However, it didn't change the fact that she is not noted at all, she is basically a beginner in opera world. The only one that I see as noted (not so ..) was her role as Pamina in The Magic Flute with Glyndebourne. I hate to vote "delete" but let see what others think about it first - Jay (talk) 12:34, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment According to her biography on the [ROH website] she sang several leading roles in at least five countries. In my opinion, this is notable, if the productions can be identified. --OrestesLebt (talk) 01:00, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep I added three recordings with notable orchestras and conductors. One is of the rare opera Ariane et Barbe-bleue, one from a small role in Parsifal, but at The Proms, the third, I quatro rusteghi was the critic's choice in Opera News. For me, that tips the scale in favor of keeping. --OrestesLebt (talk) 13:07, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Thanks for that OrestesLebt, plus your addition of the performance as Konstanze with the Brazilian Symphony Orchestra. I've added a 4th recording, the DVD of The Marriage of Figaro at the ROH (Critics' Choice at Gramophone). That's enough to tip the scale. Voceditenore (talk) 17:08, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep based on revisions made by OrestesLebt and Voceditenore - Jay (talk) 05:30, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Sufficient work has been done to the article to merit notability.  scope_creep Talk  15:24, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as per WP:HEY as the article has been significantly improved since nomination with the addition of extra references to show that she passes notability for opera singers, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:42, 6 December 2019 (UTC)


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