Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anait Isahanova


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure)  J 947 ( c ) (m)   00:32, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Upon being asked to add a rationale for my closure, I will. The 'delete' opinions are 'Unsourced BLP, needs sources', 'can't find any sources', and 'no good sources in the article'. WP:CONTN specifically makes the last point not worth anything. Now the 'keep' arguments: 'systemic bias, sources out there', 'sources, merely improvement needed', 'soon will be foreign-language sources', 'will be Armenian language sources', and 'notable'. The last one doesn't say why it is notable, so is discounted. All in all—with two on one side and four on the other, balanced out by BLP and systemic bias—I see a rough consensus to keep the article.  J 947 ( c ) (m)   18:37, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Anait Isahanova

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Unsourced BLP. PROD removed. Possibly could be sourced, but without sources the page can not stay on Wikipedia. Ymblanter (talk) 17:40, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Simply can't find any sources, not even by searching. Only source provided isn't very credible. ToThAc (talk) 17:42, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:40, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:40, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:40, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. There are two sources provided, one of which is an external link to the organization's site.  At the very least, it does serve to confirm the subject's status as Armenia's representative.  And in a few weeks, the Miss Universe site will post brief bios on all of the contestants, at which point some additional detail will be available.  But my primary concern here is something different.  This nomination illustrates the ease with which systemic bias gets introduced into the encyclopedia.  Making determinations on the failure to find English-language sources is problematic for subjects whose sources are not likely to have been written in that language.  This is especially true if the sources are not written with the Roman alphabet but, as is the case here, the Armenian alphabet.  Armenian language sources exist, as shown here.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 22:24, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I have written hundreds of articles with sources solely in Russian. I think it is ridiculous to accuse me in systemic bias. It is just instagram is not a reliable source.--Ymblanter (talk) 05:26, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep: National titleholder, sources exist, article needs improvement though.  { [ ( jjj     1238 ) ] }   03:32, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is supposed to be based on reliable sources. Instagram is not a reliable source. It is also supposed to be based on indepdent sources. The website of the competition someone won is not independent. There is nothing even approaching a source here that shows notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:28, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak keep: National level winner of Miss Universe qualifier. There will be foreign-language sources that can be used for expansion and per NewYorkActuary, whenever the pageant hits (which will be soon, I presume), we will see more content. This one is a DONOTDEMOLISH.  Montanabw (talk) 07:06, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   20:25, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak keep: as per  Montanabw  National level winner of Miss Universe qualifier, and presumably there will be Armenian language sources to verify notability. Deathlibrarian (talk) 22:20, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as notable. gidonb (talk) 14:56, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. The reflections of voters that the person is presumed notable, and that the sources must exist, are plausible, and I agree with them. A little problem is that WP:BLP is very clear on that the sources must not be presumed to exist, but must have actually be in the article in order for the article to be kept on Wikipedia.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:09, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Only if statements are "challenged or likely to be challenged". The article consists of lines on the pageants that Isahanova won. Not particularly contentious material so no need to talk us into hysteria that isn't in the policy referenced. gidonb (talk) 17:39, 21 October 2017 (UTC)


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