Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ancient Indian festivals


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  13:56, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Ancient Indian festivals

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Too broad, incomplete and not sourced. Includes praise. &raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  20:24, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
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 * Comment. The article is sourced to the Mahabharata. The codes (1,221) and (14,59) appear to be for verses of the Mahabharata. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:05, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete as WP:OR mix of historical/mythological. Scholars are equipped to analyze Epic/Puranic literature and come to conclusions on how the descriptions in these texts reflect cultural practices during the times these texts were written/compiled/amended. But citing these primary sources directly as evidence for "ancient Indian festivals" is just bonkers. The topic may be encyclopedic under a less weaselly title than with the vague adjective  "ancient", but the current article is not worth retaining (I also checked the prior versions in the article history). Abecedare (talk) 01:34, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak keep -- This is a poor article, but not beyond rescuing. Whatever we may think of Mahabharata, it is one of the two great epics of India.  As such I expect there is a wealth of secondary literature (probably in Sanskrit or Hindi) by way of commentary.  Since the article does not (yet) appear to have anything based on Ramayana, perhaps the title should be Festivals recorded in Mahabharata.  As a Christian, I do not believe in the Hindu gods who feature in Mahabharata, but that does not mean that WP should ignore it.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:48, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:43, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: More discussion on whether secondary references exist is necessary.
 * Keep - the topic is notable enough to have an article in Wikipedia, although the article needs a lot of work on it (for a start, it could do with some references). Agree with User: Peterkingiron that the article is in a poor state, but not beyond rescuing. Vorbee (talk) 14:58, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. No sourcing, probably original research. Even list entries do not appear to be notable themselves. Ajf773 (talk) 01:12, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * delete as WP:OR. topic itself is too vague to make an article.  If someone wanted to build an article on a more defined topic, such as Festivals mentioned in the Mahabharata, it would require not merely drawing material from the Mahabharata, but sourcing to scholarly literature.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:26, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 19:49, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * this article is WP:OR, which is a good reason for deleting. We do have an extensive List of festivals in India, most are bluelinked. But this phrase is an outmoded way to talk about Vedic, Jain, or other autochthonous ancient religious traditions in the subcontinent, the handful of book hits on the phrase are early 20th century.  Indian religious tradition is  a thriving field of study: scholarly, pious, and pseudo-scholarly.  Let's delete this and wait for better.   We truly do have a severe deficit of articles on the history of faith traditions in India. But that maynot be a reason to override WP:NOTESSAY. E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:46, 31 August 2018 (UTC)


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