Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/And Justice for All (1998 film)


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The result was delete, either a different Moore, or a hoax.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:17, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

And Justice for All (1998 film)

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Tagged as hoax. Has an entry in IMDB but I've been unable to locate reliable sources to establish that this film actually exists, just listings on various third party filmographies. See also talk page comments: "Not listed on his website. No press about it. This may quite possibly have been a typo/hoax/something else that's been repeated often enough to be assumed to be true." Can anyone locate sources to establish this film exists? Muchness (talk) 04:00, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. IMDb has a list of the winners and nominees for the 1998 IDA Awards, and the film is among the latter, so it does appear to exist. However, that's about the extent of the coverage I've been able to find. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:38, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per Clarityfiend.  Corvoe  (speak to me)  09:26, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not listed on his website. No press about it. This may quite possibly have been a typo/hoax/something else that's been repeated often enough to be assumed to be true. Barnstar for the anonymous editor who tagged it as a hoax, WP:TROUT for me not being brave enough to delete the article when it was first tagged for speedy deletion. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:19, 20 January 2014 (UTC) Erm, and also, what Muchness said. Didn't properly check before adding !vote. --Shirt58 (talk) 10:31, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete due to not meeting WP:GNG. Variety here mentions And Justice for All as a feature nominee for an IDA award. Beyond this, I can only find choice mentions, which is so strange to me, considering the director. Delete due to lack of any significant coverage. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 23:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * Indeed, for a film by a famous director this seems remarkably unsourceable outside of its presence on an award shortlist. I have a theory, however: given that The Big One was released the same year as this purported film, I'm wondering if maybe And Justice for All — a title that's certainly compatible with the themes and topics of The Big One — wasn't just a working title for The Big One, which has persisted in showing up in some filmographies just because somebody somewhere didn't realize that its title had changed. Or, alternatively, given that IMDB calls it a television documentary, maybe it was a project that got recut into The Awful Truth, which debuted the following year, instead of ever being released under its original name. Or, of course, it could have just been a project that got scrapped entirely...or one which, unlikely though it may seem, was actually made by a different Michael Moore of much lesser notability and sourceability. Delete (or redirect if someone can find evidence that my "working title" theory is on the money.) Bearcat (talk) 01:24, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete A film does seem to exist by that name directed by a "Micahel Moore", as confirmed by the 1998 volume of the International Documentary Association, but we can't even be sure it's the same Micahel Moore. I've often seen IMDB filmographies link to the wrong person and Moore doesn't seem to acknowledge it any way. Aside from the whole question of notability, this could be a case of IMDb making a mistake and everyone else copying it, so we need to be careful about spreading misinformation. Unless we can corroborate it, it needs to go. Betty Logan (talk) 02:16, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
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