Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anders Blixt


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The result was   keep. Stifle (talk) 11:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Anders Blixt

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Looks like a non-notable game designer, article makes claims of notability by association and I'm not seeing unique coverage on this individual on google.  MBisanz  talk 14:20, 4 February 2010 (UTC) Comment I recreated this article when I saw it mentioned on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sweden. I would not lightly recreate an article lightly if I wasn't certain that it should be. . A good example of throwing out the baby with the bath water. In this case there's is no doubt whatsoever about his notability. Not having article about him would be like not having an article about Gary Gygax. Drakar och Demoner was in Sweden what Dungeons and Dragons was in the English-speaking world. Casual role players didn't play D&D, they played DoD. Dungeons&Dragons was for hardcore gamers that'd play anything and everything. It sold in 100,000 exemplars, that's rather a lot for a market of 8 million people; and that's not counting export editions. That confers wp:notability to its main author. Further, he did just didn't "one game" that we do have an article on, he was involved in almost every RPG that was designed or translated and adapted in the 1980s. This may be the source of our problem; sources from the 80s are not as googable as comtemporary stuff. But there's no problem in finding them, because there was about just as much brouhaha in Sweden as with dungeons and dragons; you just have to go to the nearest library and check the newspaper archive. I also note that Pcap has misunderstood that it is about paper and pencil games, and emphatically not computer or video games, so that the deletion sorting is incorrect. walk victor falktalk 18:58, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions.  -- Pcap  ping  15:30, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions.  -- Pcap  ping  15:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. (Search video game sources) MrKIA11 (talk) 16:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. I willing to change my mind on this, but the only reference is an interview on a totally obscure site, according to Alexa anyway. None of his achievements seem to meet WP:ANYBIO. Pcap ping  16:38, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. An interview hosted on Sverok's site was posted in the mean time, so I assume he is indeed notable in Sweden for his games. Pcap ping  15:39, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete supposedly designed one game we don't have an article on, and one we do but he was co-designer with 5 other people on the 2nd edition. Bottom line: no measurable notability. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  16:51, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. I believe he achieves notability, if only barely, and primarily from his pioneering involvement (although it was a group effort and acknowledged as such) in Swedish-produced role-playing games. As noted above, Drakar och Demoner was the major domestically produced title of its time, and had wide name recognition even among a lot of those who had never played an RPG. Oh, this brings back memories - a number of times in the 1980s, Swedish tabloids cited all RPGs as products of a secret sect of satanists intending to drive innocent teenagers to suicide, and called for appropriate action from the authorities. :-) Can't remember if they specifically targeted the game authors as well or just the games, and this was before newspapers had websites - Swedish newspapers seem never to have back-added older material to the web. As noted above, this article was part of the recent mass unreferenced BLP deletions, which were based purely on "unreferenced BLP" tagging rather than any notability assessment. Tomas e (talk) 19:08, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not see any exception in WP:V or WP:RS for sources that are hard to find. If and when someone finds a source online or in paper archives, then that will show notability and an article can be created, but until then I don't see how simple assertions can withstand WP:NOR.  MBisanz  talk 19:13, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. It is not our job as editors to presume notability when third party coverage is lacking.   JBsupreme  ( talk ) 07:17, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep It is our job to look for third party coverage, JBSupreme, something I yet have to see you're doing. I added two refs, he appears to satisfy WP:CREATIVE #1 or #2, or both (in Sweden). Power.corrupts (talk) 08:21, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't tell me what my job is until you start putting cash in my wallet.  JBsupreme  ( talk ) 09:47, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL, you forgot to add "delete with prejudice" ;) Okip (formerly Ikip) 13:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment How is it with notability in a Swedish vs International perspective. Blixt is definitely a notable guy in Swedish gaming. But I don't think he made any sort of waves outside of Sweden. Is that relevant? --OpenFuture (talk) 08:37, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Notable in one country, notable in the whole world, that's wikipedia's policy. That's why Åland politicians like Runar Karlsson or Idol contestants like Johan Palm, Danny Saucedo have their own articles. See WP:BIAS. walk  victor falktalk 10:33, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks! --OpenFuture (talk) 10:37, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Keep: A notable figure in Swedish Gaming history who did a lot for role playing games in Sweden. --OpenFuture (talk) 10:37, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: Notable in Sweden is notable in Wikipedia. -Thibbs (talk) 12:10, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Maker of notable things is notable himself. I checked the Google news search, and ran the first of 15 results through the Google translator and it turned out to be about a communist with the same name. But he is notable for his accomplishments, even without searchable news being found.   D r e a m Focus  12:25, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete his Swedish article is poorly referenced and some Swedish articles refer to a different Anders Blixt who is a church pastor . LibStar (talk) 12:46, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Author of first and largest Swedish RPG is notable. --GRuban (talk) 14:47, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No. WP:NOTINHERITED   JBsupreme  ( talk ) 00:35, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I beg your pardon, his RPG isn't his parent, it's his work! A writer of games most certainly gets notability from his games, the same way that a writer of books gets notability from his books, or any other worker can get notability from his notable job. We'd have the deuce of a time proving J. K. Rowling was notable if we couldn't mention her books, and this Barack Obama person would be no one if not for that little Senator+President thing... :-) It's also not a case where he wrote just this one game, so anything that could be said about him could be said in the article about the game. He wrote several, Drakar... is just the most famous. --GRuban (talk) 15:19, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Decent sourcing considering the language barrier and time. WP:NOTINHERITED does not apply, the subject is notable for their accomplisments. Edward321 (talk) 15:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per others. I found it to be an interesting article for me, and therefor encyclopedic material as far as I am concerned. But the image File:Drakarochdemoner.jpg should need to be removed because it is not fair use in this article. / Fred-J 15:40, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: ...or we could forgo cauterizing the problem for more of a mend & repair approach by just claiming fair use for this article too. It certainly is being used in a fair use context despite the lack of a written rationale. The use is educational/research-based and not commercial so fair use would apply equally here. Personally I'd rather only remove the image if a suitably superior one was proposed (like a picture of the artist himself) but regardless, whether or not it's particularly relevant or whether or not it's the best image for the article's topic is a non-IP matter that should be taken up in that article's talk page. -Thibbs (talk) 02:47, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep, Referenced to meet all notability requirements now. I removed all unreferenced material to the talk page for future referencing. Okip (formerly Ikip) 13:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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