Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andi Ali


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The result was   delete. JohnCD (talk) 09:46, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Andi Ali

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Author of some self-published books. I can't find significant coverage of the book "Dead Paki Walking" in multiple reliable sources, only booksellers and blogs. Article claims that it's "best selling" but there is no citation for that. The Hollywood Reporter site that's linked to does not mention the books or the author at all. ... disco spinster   talk  17:02, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep He is on Amazon's best seller list right now see here http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bestsellers/digital-text/362562031/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_kinc_1_5_last — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanji31 (talk • contribs)
 * I don't believe the term 'best seller', in normal usage applies here. From Amazon the Kindle sales rank is; "Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #34,285 Paid in Kindle Store" SBaker43 (talk) 19:07, 23 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - Aside from 5 (Indonesian language) items returned from Google News (that I can't read), I seem unable to turn up anything that closely resembles WP:RS. -- WikHead (talk) 17:25, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note - the Indonesian results from Google News appear to be about two other people: a government official responsible for mining, and a bogus doctor, both in Indonesia—A bit iffy (talk) 21:39, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Thanks for the clarification. I was very doubtful that these Indonesian results were related, but seemed the only shot in the dark possibility of source material better in quality than the social media and commercial-based sites I found in English. -- WikHead (talk) 07:06, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete I have googled the author and can't see them meeting WP:AUTHOR notability guidelines--5 albert square (talk) 18:17, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Per Amazon.co.uk it's their 532,663rd bestseller (so not exactly Barbara Taylor Bradford). However it seems to do better as a Kindle download; it's


 * &#35;35,788 Paid in Kindle Store
 * &#35;5 in Kindle Store > Books > Nonfiction > Social Sciences > Discrimination & Racism
 * &#35;44 in Kindle Store > Books > Nonfiction > Politics & Current Affairs > Ideologies
 * &#35;52 in Books > Society, Politics & Philosophy > Social Sciences > Discrimination & Racism > Racism


 * I can't however see anything on WP:BK about "bestsellers". The book appears not to be notable enough to confer notability on its author, and nothing on the author's page itself appears to meet WP:AUTHOR. Tonywalton Talk 18:36, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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keep The book is number one now on Amazon in discrimination and racism (keeps moving up and down) see here http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bestsellers/digital-text/362562031/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_kinc_1_5_last Also, can produce newspapers reports on this person - if the admin allowed me to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanji31 (talk • contribs) 08:01, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Being on any bestseller list is not something that would give such automatic and complete notability that it would merit an article all by itself. For example, even if this author's books had all hit the NYT bestseller lists that would not give the author notability. It would just make it more likely that there would be reliable sources that would show notability. As far as the notability of Amazon's bestseller lists, that's not even something worth looking at. There's so many specific categories that hitting number one isn't really that huge of a feat. (And this book didn't hit number one in any categories.) When you add on the fact that it's easy for authors to purchase kindle copies of their own books or give away free copies to yank up book ratings, well... there's a reason why Amazon bestseller lists aren't exactly something that fills the average person with awe. They're no NYT bestselling lists and if being on the NYT doesn't show notability, then an Amazon listing surely won't. Other than that, there's no reliable sources to show that any of these books or their author has notability enough to merit an article. Amazon is not a reliable source, it's a merchant website where the author and/or publisher can manipulate the text on the article to say whatever they want. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 14:08, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete: No claim to notability. SL93 (talk) 22:28, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please do so, if these newspaper reports are verifiable reports in reliable sources. If they're in self-published pamphlets, Myspace, Youtube and similar, please don't bother. WP:RS is a guide to what counts as a "reliable source". If you've been prevented from offering such sources please show where. Tonywalton Talk 23:19, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

here you go The Neo Nazi website Redwatch have a link headed 'what the scum say about us' click on it and there is a newspaper article headed Student is Neo Nazi target in the Preston News see here http://www.redwatch.org/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanji31 (talk • contribs)
 * — Note to closing admin: Hanji131 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. Tonywalton Talk 23:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC) Tonywalton Talk 23:14, 25 June 2012
 * — Note to closing admin: Hanji131 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. Tonywalton Talk 23:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC) Tonywalton Talk 23:14, 25 June 2012

(UTC) And your point being Tonywalton This debate is about keeping this page open, like your pages have been kept open.
 * Comment I really don't understand that edit. My point is that if you are able to supply sensible (sensible in this context meaning WP:RS), then do so. Would you have made that comment if I was white? Tonywalton Talk 01:00, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

sorry mate you've lost me. I don't undertand what skin colour has to do with anything? I could not care if you were white, black, brown whatever. Further, I haven't the first idea who you are or what you look like, so how would I know if you were white or not? Your point about sources is a valid one, I will shortly add a newspaper article to the andi ali page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanji31 (talk • contribs) 12:51, 27 June 2012 (UTC) here is the newspaper articule http://studyingthebnp.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/blog-post_10.html this newspaper article is on Andi Ali's blog do i need to enlarge it and post it somewere for my wiki page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanji31 (talk • contribs) 14:46, 27 June 2012 (UTC) Note to admin I can't add newspaper article to my page until you remove the block. There is no point asking me to put proper refs on page then preventing me from doing so.

keep I am not the subject of the article although I have read his books. I am somwhat puzzled about why people are still asking for this article to be deleted when newspaper articles have now been provided. The very think the Admins asked for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanji31 (talk • contribs)
 * Delete - No coverage in reliable sources. -- Whpq (talk) 16:39, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete -- This appears to be a biography produced by Hanji31, which is essentially a single purpose account, probably owned by the subject of the article. WP does not like autobiography.  He appears to have engaged in an edit war cover the article.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:25, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Question The newspaper article that Hanji31 refers to appears to be the one retrieved by this search on Asian Image. However, is Asian Image a reliable source? I don't seem to get any results if I search the ABC's site.—A bit iffy (talk) 20:08, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'm unable to answer that specific question, but as multiple reference sources are required, I'm not sure that it's worth fussing over just one. The best-seller information listed above is probably not very useful either, as it has been obtained from commercial sites and is information that has been provided only for consumer interests. -- WikHead (talk) 09:56, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Sources are too weak.—A bit iffy (talk) 13:55, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
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