Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrea Kalousová


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Davewild (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Andrea Kalousová

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WP:ONEEVENT, most sources not conform WP:RS, possibly fails WP:GNG The Banner talk 08:14, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - winning a national pageant title as a qualifier to the "Miss World" category would qualify as winning a major award. As far as I know there are not specific requirements for beauty pageant winners that exclude them from the WP:ANYBIO criteria. —Мандичка YO 😜 08:29, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The national pageant is just a preliminary round for the international event. The Banner talk 10:39, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - article does not appear to support WP:ANYBIO or other notability criteria. May just be  too soon if subject actually wins Miss World, but Wikipedia is not a  crystal ball.--Rpclod (talk) 12:04, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Winning Miss Czech Republic counts as a major award, unless there is a policy somewhere that states pageant titles are excluded from WP:ANYBIO criteria.. —Мандичка YO 😜 01:08, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Czech Republic-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:39, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:40, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


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Please add new comments below this notice. North America1000 13:13, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete - "Miss Czech Republic" hardly seems to meet WP:ANYBIO's requirement for a "well-known and significant award or honor". NickCT (talk) 15:45, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep I would wager that "Miss Czech Republic" is well known and significant in the context of the Czech Republic. The significant coverage in the Czech language also passes WP:BIO. Winner 42 Talk to me!  15:54, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * - But is the Czech Republic notable in the context of anything else. I hate when someone gets a national award in some podunk little country (e.g. Ms. St. Vincent and the Grenadines) and a bunch of folks instantly assume it's on par with winning a national level award in the United States. NickCT (talk) 19:04, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It is not Wikipedia place to decide what is and isn't notable. If you would like, she can be considered the winner of a regional awards such as the people found here and here. The subject's significant coverage (such as and, and  passes WP:BIO. Would you be interested in bringing all of Category:Czech beauty pageant winners to AfD along with all the winners of other regional and small nation contests? Winner 42  Talk to me!  19:38, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * - re " It is not Wikipedia place to decide what is and isn't notable" - Really??? Well golly gee. There I was thinking that's that what we did here. Admittedly she has some coverage in Czech media, but I can't find a single English language reference for her. Her notability is clearly entirely local. And has she done anything other than win a single notable pageant? Why doesn't WP:BLP1E apply? NickCT (talk) 19:48, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You can't find a single English reference for her? Did you even look? I would recommend trying the first and third references in the article. Also WP:NOENG and WP:LPI are applicable here. Winner 42  Talk to me!  20:09, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh yes. Yes. The Times of Beauty. How did I miss a reference in that fine and reputable publication? I know WP:NOENG applies, but fact is, if she isn't notable enough to warrant a single ref in a serious English language publication, she probably ain't that notable. NickCT (talk) 20:23, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Define serious. Both English sources are considered "authoritative in relation to the subject" and therefore reliable. They are also independent from the contests and third party with editorial review thereby meeting the definition of an independent reliable sources. But, the fact is that it does not matter if English sources exist at all per WP:NOENG. Her significant coverage in Czech sources is enough. Though the fact that you didn't even bother to look at the sources in the article before coming to the AfD certainly says something. Winner 42 Talk to me!  20:47, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * - I bothered to search engine test it, which is really more relevant in these conversations than is simply looking at the references on the page. re "serious" - Is Times of Beauty a notable enough source to have its own WP page? WP:LPI is a bad essay, by-the-by. Our policy (i.e. WP:BLP1E) applies here. NickCT (talk) 21:24, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Sources are not required to be in English... and that should never be a factor in meeting GNG. You can also hit up Google Translate and get a rough estimate as to whether or not the source is the subject of the article. —Мандичка YO 😜 06:11, 23 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - didn't actually win Miss Czech Republic, the winner of which was kept at AfD last month. C679 18:03, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The person at the previous AfD won Miss Universe, this person won Miss World. They are different contests which are equally notable and should be kept on the same grounds. Winner 42 Talk to me!  19:20, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, they have multiple titles at Czech Miss, but the title of Czech Miss itself went to Švantnerová, and not Kalousová. The individual certainly did not win Miss World! C679 19:24, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You know what I meant, she won the nomination to represent the Czech republic at Miss World. Winner 42 Talk to me!  19:39, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * They may throw in some goodies for second and third place, but she did not win the competition. The Banner talk 20:54, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe you, Kalousová did not win 2015 Miss Czech World in April. So my next question is, who do you think is orchestrating this sham of lies, this misinformation, this twisted propaganda saying she did win it? It must be someone high up if they can influence all Czech media into printing over and over that she won Miss Czech World? And thus is going to compete at the Miss World pageant?, , . The official Miss Czech organisation is in on it too, those lying bastards. And how cruel to Nikol Švantnerova, the one and only true Miss Czech World, who has been fraudulently entered into the Miss Universe Pageant. I know  a guy to contact.  —Мандичка YO 😜 06:11, 23 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep I agree with Winner 42, "winning a national pageant title as a qualifier to the "Miss World" category would qualify as winning a major award."    Cheers!   WordSeventeen (talk) 01:46, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Satisfies WP:ANYBIO and WP:GNG. To win a national beauty pageant, and represent one's country in an international event (part of the Big Four) is notable, and significant coverage has been found already. To compare the size of the country to other bigger contries is totally out of order. Guidelines on politicians or sportsmen say "national" office or champion without any reference to the size. National is national. Period. Kraxler (talk) 18:10, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
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