Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrea Kalousová (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect/No consensus. There is a consensus that, in general, the pageant contestors listed here should be deleted or redirected. Two of the people, Gabriela Kratochvílová and Andrea Kalousová, have also done something else (than just a pageant), an issue that has not been explicitly adressed in the AfD. The best solution therefore seems to be to close the discussion on the two of them as no consensus with no prejudice against immediately re-nominating them for deletion individually. For the remaining articles, I will close the discussion on them as redirect rather than delete, since they are potential search terms. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 10:57, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Andrea Kalousová
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Recent community discussions have held there is no consensus for automatic notability for pageant winners. See Articles for deletion/Roxanne Allison Baeyens – bundled, resulted in 18 articles deleted – upheld at more recent Articles for deletion/Paulette Samayoa. There was also a recent successful RfC concerning sockfarms and beauty pageant article creations by sockfarms like this one. The RfC does not imply deletion is necessary in this case, but does indicate that scrutiny will be especially strong and this was not taken into account in the last, lightly attended, deletion debate held in 2015 (four keep !votes, one of which was by a later CU-confirmed sockpuppet). ☆ Bri (talk) 17:33, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Czech Republic-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  18:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  18:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  18:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


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Nominating additional Czech Miss contestants for same reasons, these all appear to represent WP:BLP1E. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:35, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

AfDs for this article:  Nominating random creations of another sockfarm for same reasons. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about the others, but I don't think Jevon King in particular should be deleted; she has a son with Diplo who has a lengthy WP article. If she only had a son with Diplo or only won the pageant, her article should be deleted. However, I think with these two combined, her article should stay. Unknown-Tree (talk) 21:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Notability is not inherited. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:17, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) That's an essay, not a guideline 2) I know that, if she didn't win the pageant, then I would've agreed with removing her article. Unknown-Tree (talk) 18:09, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Fine, WP:Notability – which is a guideline – states it this way: No subject is automatically or inherently notable merely because it exists: the evidence must show the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition, and that this was not a mere short-term interest... I'm sure you know this having followed WP:NRVE from the NOTINHERITED essay, but I'm stating it here for the others participating. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:11, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


 * WEAK KEEP: Despite pageant winners being deleted in other articles. Generally speaking, winning a nationwide pageant, means you won several local pageants. However, this is an English language wikipedia and if you aren't able to find the local pageants in English, than maybe it doesn't reach the notability for this version of wikipedia. - 23:23, 29 October 2020 (UTC)Juju (talk)
 * Wikipedia notability is not and should not be based English-language coverage, and that's not the main issue here. It's the paucity of non-trivial RS coverage outside the pageant in any language.  In many of the listed articles, being a pageant delegate is the sum total of RS coverage, one-event biographies. • Gene93k (talk) 15:12, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * well I found numerous Czech articles on her in particular, but I cant assess the reliability of those articles, since I'm not versed in that language. - Juju (talk) 06:05, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete all none have the coverage beyond extremely passing coverage at the time of the beauty contest win to justify having an article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:02, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect all of the Czech Miss winners. Although they have some coverage in generally reliable Czech language media such as iDNES or denik.cz   the coverage does not focus on the winners in depth, or else is just interviews / non-intellectually independent coverage which generally does not count toward GNG. So I would say the best outcome would be merging or redirecting into articles about the contest. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  00:02, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Clarkcj12 (talk) 08:29, 8 November 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete or redirect all - promotional material, little to no coverage and notability outside their respective pageant(s). MER-C 19:17, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:53, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect or merge all (or delete in the absence of a suitable redirect target), per WP:1E and WP:NMODEL. It seems there is hardly any content worth merging, though.  PJvanMill ) talk ( 16:26, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect all to their respective pageant where they competed/won.--Richie Campbell (talk) 02:07, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep at least Gabriela Kratochvílová and Andrea Kalousová, as they resurfaced in connection with something else than pageant (Kratochvílová as an anchor, Kalousová as TV show participant (in top 20 topviews at cswiki). Jklamo (talk) 11:05, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I would be inclined to !vote redirect for articles created by socks, but we should open separate AfDs for the rest. jp×g 17:09, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, Redirect, or Merge all (descending order of choice) with the last two options as ATD per rationale of Nom. I am not a fan of mass nominations but these BLP articles fail any notability criteria. They are sourced either improperly through the "External links" (Ceska Miss official website), one or two sources (sometimes three like cemodels.cz and globalbeauties), with a sprinkle of maybe one reliable source or primary source that DOES NOT advance any notability for encyclopedia coverage. Attempts to count winning some non-notable "Miss diaper" pageant as justification to disclaim WP:BLP1E does not work. Look at Jázmin Dammak who won Miss Universe Hungary that set up entry into Miss Universe 2008 where she placed 15th. The more than likely permanent dictionary entry just is not notable for encyclopedia inclusion. Sharr Htut Eaindra won Miss Universe Myanmar 2014 and did not place in the Miss Universe 2014 pageant. She is still shown on the article as being a sophomore in college after 6 years. Yéo Jennifer won one pageant and didn't even place in the Miss World 2014 pageant. The same results with Kim Seo-yeon. Zăjnagul Zharkynbaeva won Miss Kyrgyzstan 2014 and we are awaiting the results of the Miss Universe 2015 pageant which it seems (outdated article) she didn't win. Each of these have similar results. Even though there is no no rush fleeting news coverage at the time does not present notability.  Otr500 (talk) 00:13, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.