Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrea Silvestri


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The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 04:47, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Andrea Silvestri

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Fails WP:BIO. Not a full professor.  scope_creep Talk  07:34, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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 * Speedy keep. "Not a full professor" is an entirely useless statement since there's no claim that he's mainly notable as an academic. He's not a full-time glamour model, either. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.  Fight for freedom, stand with Hong Kong! (talk) 15:28, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Dude, Trying to prove the argument by the negative, doesn't work at Afd, or indeed, in life itself, generally speaking. The subject is a adjunct professor, so WP:PROF doesn't apply and there is insufficient research to prove notability. So it falls to WP:BIO.    scope_creep Talk  16:49, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. As User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz says, there's no sign that he meets WP:NPROF, as some lawyers do.  I also see no signs of GNG, and a single book isn't going to get him to WP:NAUTHOR.  The article covers purely WP:MILL activities, and makes no assertion of notability.  Searching is complicated by the commonness of his name, and I'll watch this discussion in case evidence of notability is uncovered. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 09:13, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete We have to actually prove notabilty. It is high time we stop keeping articles on proceduralism, and nothing here shows notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:41, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Olaf Kosinsky (talk) 20:03, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. Andrea Silvestri is not a full professor. He is a lawyer with and extensive experience in tax law, corporate taxation, tax proceedings, etc. His relevance got him to be chosen by one of the major Italian Law Firms to create and lead a brand new branch (Tax Law Department, that he coordinates https://www.belex.com/en/professional/andrea-silvestri/ ). Sure he is lecturer in both Milan and Rome important Universities: Bocconi Business University in Milan (https://www.unibocconi.it/wps/wcm/connect/bocconi/sitopubblico_it/albero+di+navigazione/home/corsi+di+studio/master/mdt+-+master+in+diritto+tributario/struttura+didattica/docenti+del+master_edauthor+2008+06+25+05+41?back=y ) LUISS Business School in Rome (https://businessschool.luiss.it/diritto-tributario/faculty/ )Where he also takes part in important panels (https://businessschool.luiss.it/evento/un-fisco-per-competere/ ; https://businessschool.luiss.it/evento/imprese-e-fisco-nellera-digitale/ ) (https://www.unibocconi.it/wps/wcm/connect/ev/Eventi/Eventi+Bocconi/COSTRUIRE+LE+UNIVERSITA+ASPETTI+ARCHITETTONICI+E+URBANISTICI%2C+TRA+RAGIONI+ECONOMICHE+E+SCELTE+POLITICHE ; https://www.unibocconi.it/wps/wcm/connect/Bocconi/SitoPubblico_IT/Albero+di+navigazione/Home/chi+siamo/celebrazioni+ed+eventi/Celebrazioni+ed+eventi+istituzionali/Archivio/Centenario/Iniziative+realizzate/Mostra+Il+Mondo+Nuovo/Organizzazione/LA+STRUTTURA+ORGANIZZATIVA_EDAuthor5+2008+07+14+04+36 )But still he is known as a lawyer: see awards and recognitions he got from the Legal community:- Lawyer of the year 2013, Tax field, by TopLegal Award: http://awards.toplegal.it/medagliere/  - Listed as one of Italy’s major tax law experts by The Legal 500 EMEA international legal directories: https://www.legal500.com/firms/10189-bonellierede/10209-milan-italy/  - Made his Tax department, inside “Bonelli Erede” law firm, worthy of winning in 2016 by Legalcommunity Awards: https://legalcommunity.it/evento/tax-awards-2016/ --151.18.215.30 (talk) 10:47, 18 August 2020 (UTC) —  151.18.215.30 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * SPA editor, probably them in person, himself.   scope_creep Talk  11:12, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Looking at each reference in turn, supplied by the SPA.


 * 1) Company page. Not independent, not secondary. No indication of notability.
 * 2) Proves that he is employed at the university. Does not prove notability.
 * 3) Proves that he is employed at the university. Does not prove notability.
 * 4) Proves he is on a scientific committee. Does not prove notability
 * 5) Won a non-notable legal award. Does not prove notability.
 * 6) Proves he is a good tax lawyer. Does not prove notability. All of them fail WP:BIO. He doesn't achieve WP:NPROF.    scope_creep Talk  11:24, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 7) Tax Awards 2016. A non-notable award.    scope_creep Talk  11:28, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * these you are doing are subjective evaluations. If we were to decide independently the notoriety of each teacher on wikipedia, 80% of the pages should be removed --151.36.245.180 (talk) 14:10, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear IP editor: the relevant standards for notability of people are given under WP:BASIC. If you want to make a difference here, you need to show substantial coverage in multiple independent, reliable sources.  See also WP:THREE. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 15:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment IP, regarding the comment on teacher articles, see WP:WHATABOUTX. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:27, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep. He is a prominent figure in the legal field, also at an international level, and this is shown by the fact that he has received several awards, such as the following:- Chambers & Partners and The Legal 500 EMEA international legal directories list Andrea as one of Italy’s major tax law experts;- TopLegal Awards named Andrea Tax Lawyer of the Year in 2013;- Legalcommunity Awards named the Tax Law Department, that he coordinates, “Firm of the Year – Tax” in 2016.He also writes for important economic magazines and newspapers such as Il Sole 24 Ore https://www.sulpl.it/images/Il_Sole_24_Ore_22_Aprile_2020_compressed.pdf --5.170.242.80 (talk) 11:33, 18 August 2020 (UTC) — 5.170.242.80 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Speedy keep. you need implementations or modifications of the template, but not the removal of the page. I propose to add all these new info and sources --Loreferri (talk) 11:41, 18 August 2020 (UTC) — Loreferri (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Two more WP:SPAs who arrived at 12:34 and 12.41 respectively. Probably WP:SOCKs.   scope_creep Talk  11:59, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete and salt it per WP:GNG and my standards for lawyers - utterly run of the mill as a "tax lawyer". I was an adjunct professor as recently as 2015, but adjuncts are almost never notable. Like a virginal European princess, he has strenuously avoided having his name appearing even once in a newspaper. I also note that according to what appears to be his Twitter page, he has 6.6% of the followers that I have, so he's not a leading public intellectual. If this were 2007 we could excuse it, but in 2020 everybody knows this spam is not allowed on Wikipedia. Bearian (talk) 15:10, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. I read he defended the Bulgari brothers (jewelry) and they were acquitted. I think that’s a point for notability https://www.swissinfo.ch/ita/evasione-fiscale--assolti-paolo-e-nicola-bulgari-ed-altri-11/44063816 https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2018/04/22/bulgari-il-legale-dei-fratelli-assolti-dallaccusa-di-evasione-fiscale-ora-lo-stato-restituisca-i-43-milioni/4309293/ --Erirus (talk) 09:50, 19 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erirus (talk • contribs) 09:33, 19 August 2020 (UTC)  —  Erirus (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * No, its not the point of notability, and Afd isn't a vote counting system, its a discussion. Your two references count as passing mention, again a strong indication that the person is non-notable.   scope_creep Talk  10:14, 19 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete a non-notable lawyer without enough sourcing to actual reliable coverage. The excessive number of people voting to speedy keep is highly irregular.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:47, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SIGCOV. Hits are trade publications and/or passing mentions. And does not, in my (draft) view, qualify as a presumptively notable. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 04:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Also,, looks like you have two deletes here? AleatoryPonderings (talk) 04:07, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per comments by Bearian. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:24, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


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