Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrejs Siņicins


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 22:14, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Andrejs Siņicins
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Un-notable footballer from Latvia. NJA (t/ c)  07:43, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:ATHLETE:1 for playing with Olimps/RFS, a top level Latvian club. vulture19 08:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Retract - was not aware this was a G4. vulture19 23:26, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - at WP:FPL there is a source which specifically confirms that the Latvian league is not fully professional therefore he does not in fact pass WP:ATHLETE -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - there is no mention of the Latvian league on that page. Someone removed it because the source says nothing about the status of the Virslīga Nfitz (talk) 02:45, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete - article covers an athlete who hasn't played in a fully-pro league and there is no reason to believe it will satisfy WP:GNG. In a prior deletion discussion (Articles for deletion/Rihards Gorkšs), this article was deleted for the same reasons and nothing has changed. The editor who re-created it has done so three times and I still don't understand why the most recent speedy deletion was declined. Jogurney (talk) 13:48, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete under WP:CSD G4, article still fails the same criteria it did before. --Jimbo[online] 14:36, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets WP:ATHLETE, as there is no indication that the league he plays in isn't professional. Nfitz (talk) 02:45, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Conversely, there's no indication that it is -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:30, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Though if we are so sure it isn't profesional, shouldn't that be documented somewhere? Also, the guy is listed in no less than 3 other Wikipedias (Latvian, Russian, Dutch).  I'm really uncomfortable deleting such a player ... it suggests we might be missing something. Nfitz (talk) 17:51, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The Russian Wikipedia entry has been deleted multiple times, while the German and Latvian WP entries have no information beyond what is in the English one (and no references). The existence of articles in other WPs that have no references and no information beyond what is in the English one is not a compelling reason to keep the English one when the article fails WP:GNG and WP:ATHLETE. Jogurney (talk) 20:39, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but why has no one provided any information about the league being professional or not? Above referenced a page that did not actually contain the information (and when it did earlier, the source it referenced for it, didn't support the claim). No one has provided evidence that he doesn't meet WP:ATHLETE. Nfitz (talk) 23:13, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not how I understand things to work. WP:ATHLETE is a shortcut for WP:GNG, so someone has the burden of showing the article meeting WP:ATHLETE (not the other way around). Jogurney (talk) 00:39, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Instead of debating the legalese of the procedure, shouldn't we just address whether or not the league is professional or not? Nfitz (talk) 03:07, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 *  Keep Delete Even though the article on Andrejs Siņicins is half-baked, and I have absolutely no comprehension on what football is all about — it took me approximately 2 minutes to figure out that he plays for the Olimps team mentioned at the UEFA website as being one of the nine teams in the Latvian Higher League, which is organized by the Latvian Football Federation. The Higher League seems to be the top notch of all the football leagues in Latvia, whether it is considered professional is a question I am not able to answer. Talk/♥фĩłдωəß♥\Work 20:06, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way... If the Latvian Higher League is not fully-professional, do you realy think Latvian footballers are not notable? On another note, he certainly fails WP:GNG as someone mentioned. I have not found any independent article on him with some facts to boost the article. Consequently I have changed my mind on keeping the article. Talk/♥фĩłдωəß♥\Work 20:34, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * There certainly are notable Latvian footballers such as Māris Verpakovskis, but each individual has to meet WP:GNG or WP:ATHLETE. Jogurney (talk) 21:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete: As if the G4 isn't enough, the player does not seem to meet the ATHLETE guideline as he hasn't played in a fully-pro league. -- Big  Dom  21:39, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
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