Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Brown (media strategist)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. support for wikipedia notability. (non-admin closure) Off2riorob (talk) 22:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Andrew Brown (media strategist)

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Not notable brother of a notable person, Off2riorob (talk) 03:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions.  -- --Darkwind (talk) 05:04, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Had his only claims to notability been his relationship to Gordon Brown and his involvement in the expenses, I would have gone for WP:BIO1E and WP:NOTINHERITED. However, I did a Google search for "Andrew Brown" EDF and he seems to be getting a good deal of coverage before any of the expenses stuff became public, like this article. It's hard to tell if his coverage is artificially inflated by being Gordon Brown's brother, but I think there's enough. It will be a major headache to include the stuff about the cleaner in a fair and balanced way, but that's what Wikiproject Politics is for. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 07:24, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per Chris Neville-Smith. -- Dismas |(talk) 07:50, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well thanks for commenting, basically, keep per jonny is valueless in an AFD, valueless all over the discussion at wikipedia,please ask if you need directing to wikipedia policy and guidelines. Off2riorob (talk) 02:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep per Dismas--Milowent (talk) 03:02, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Clearly a comedy vote. Off2riorob (talk) 20:23, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, but to expand upon it, I do see significant coverage in reliable sources about this individual, so he does seem to be sufficiently notable to support a keep vote. Its really not surprising that a brother of a world leader might generate enough interest to be notable, e.g., Billy Carter.--Milowent (talk) 20:58, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * A ghost town not notable unwatched stagnant Biography that is only viewed by crawler bots, bring it on. Off2riorob (talk) 17:15, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * What are you referring to? Surely not the namesake of Billy Beer?--Milowent (talk) 23:36, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well actually, you are only supporting as a support per Dismas and he is only supporting as a support of the creator of this ADF article, delete, not notable person, media analyst ask yourself .are media analysts notable, no they are not, is he notable as the brother of someone. no he is not, keeping this valueless stub will be of no value to a reader and give the wikipedia a responsibility to take care of it . Merge or redirect anything but this person is not worthy an article.Off2riorob (talk) 00:42, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I am actually supporting the keep because "I do see significant coverage in reliable sources about this individual, so he does seem to be sufficiently notable to support a keep vote."  I do not care whether he is "worthy" of an article beyond that.--Milowent (talk) 02:00, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You see significant ungoing coverage of this individual, here is the google news nothing. Complete rubbish, you should stop this joking about, it is a big issue when you are not notable to be be stuck with a ghost town unwatched valueless stub that is not about your life. Media strategist what rubbish. Off2riorob (talk) 02:04, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That's because the news coverage of Andrew Brown doesn't use the words "Andrew Brown (Media Strategist)" in that order, and why would it? (Try a GNews Archive search for "Gordon Brown (politician)" instead of "Gordon Brown" and you'll discover the extra word in brackets filters out 99.997% of the hits.) Have you done a GNews Archive search for "Andrew Brown" EDF like I did? Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 08:41, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mike Cline (talk) 12:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep According to The Telegraph, he has been an assistant producer for Newsnight (a major UK TV current affairs program), a program editor on Channel 4 (one of the UK's 5 terrestrial TV channels), editor of ITN’s political programme Powerhouse (ITN is a large UK TV news organisation), director of media strategy at Weber Shandwick (an international PR company), head of media relations at EDF (a French utility company). There's a Times story about his and EDF's attempted (and somewhat controversial) involvement in the UK's nuclear power program. I think all of those, together with his being the brother of Gordon Brown, probably makes him sufficiently notable. (There are plenty of GHits for '"Andrew Brown" EDF', but I haven't had time to investigate any further, sorry) -- Boing!   said Zebedee  14:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep (Never been through this procedure before - am I allowed to 'vote', being the originator of the article?) In any case, just wanted to add that "Weber Shandwick is not just an international PR company but is the "WORLD'S LARGEST global public relations firm." and also that the French parent (Électricité de France) of EDF Energy is not only a utility company but is "the WORLD'S LARGEST utility company." and is charged with building the UKs new generation of nuclear power stations - highly controversial in various ways. So having top roles with these is hardly chicken feed. Finally, Brown's namesakes on Wikipedia hardly seem to set the world ablaze in the notability stakes, yet they seem to remain. (p.s. Bearing all this in mind, seems rather odd that, apparently, a page on Brown has already been created and deleted in the past.) James317a (talk) 23:21, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
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