Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Cuomo's response to nursing homes during the COVID-19 pandemic


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The result was keep and move to 2021 New York nursing home scandal.. (non-admin closure) JJP...MASTER![talk to] JJP... master? 18:21, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Andrew Cuomo's response to nursing homes during the COVID-19 pandemic

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Too narrow a topic for a stand-alone article, should be discussed at COVID-19 pandemic in New York (state). My attempt to redirect there was reverted. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 05:13, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Keep: The COVID-19 pandemic in New York (state) is huge with 382 references and counting. This article should be broken down into smaller articles. Andrew Cuomo is a higher than average profile governor. His administration's response to nursing homes has bi-partisan condemnation. This issue has international news coverage. This has been a growing controversy and will likely get much bigger now that his administration is being investigated by EDNY and the FBI. The article is broadly referenced by at least 9 reputable news outlets. BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56091682 Al Jazeera: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/15/cuomo-mistake-not-providing-nursing-home-death-data-faster Yousef Raz (talk) 05:39, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 05:13, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 05:13, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of COVID-19-related deletion discussions. Thriley (talk) 05:23, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Rename to something like 2021 New York nursing home scandal. I think there is enough factual material to spin this out, and it is being treated as an independent news event by the press, but the current title makes it look too close to a POV fork. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 06:18, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Update I've started an official move request to this name; feel free to chime in there. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 09:19, 18 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep but rename: The name of this article is absolutely awful, one of the worst I have ever seen on a serious page; but the content is a major scandal that has received national investigation and extensive international coverage. It is also a relatively long-lived scandal that is well past WP:RECENT/breaking news territory -- this has been covered since last spring -- and will undoubtedly receive continued coverage given the FBI investigation and the upcoming New York mayoral election (so far most of the candidates haven't weighed in but it's bound to happen eventually given the strained relationship between the De Blasio and Cuomo administrations). It's also plausible that people besides Cuomo will be implicated -- more plausible than the alternative, I would guess, it's kind of already started to happen -- so the subject most likely stands alone in a way that a hypothetical Cuomo campaign gaffe would not. 2021 New York nursing home scandal seems like a good enough name. Gnomingstuff (talk) 08:03, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, rename and tag with Template:POV - A notable subject, but the article only includes sources where Cuomo defends his handling of the situation, if that argument is subsequently refuted. Cuomo's other statements on the subject should be included for balance, such as reported here and here. SailingInABathTub (talk) 13:38, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep/Rename As per above. Notable, the the current name is bad. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:39, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Andrew Cuomo. I will be the first to admit that I think Gov. Cuomo has blood on his hands for his criminal order to force infectious Covid-19 patients into nursing homes, all the more so because the excess hospital space created was never adequately used so there was no actual need to rush sick patients out of hospitals to where they could infect more people, but I do not think this issue merits a seperate article, I think it needs to be in the article on Cuomo.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:33, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Especially since the story is just unfolding. I'd hate to see censorship on Wikipedia by trying to cover up these death. Prins van Oranje 17:09, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - the article for Andrew Cuomo is not enough for this recent controversy, and it'd be inappropriate to fill half of the COVID-19 pandemic in New York article with this. CaliIndie (talk) 17:27, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * And yes, renaming is in order, the current title reads like a run-on sentence. CaliIndie (talk) 17:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Andrew Cuomo or rename. I think the two paragraphs already in Cuomo's main article does a good job summarizing the scandal and its own article is currently not needed. Kyjama (talk) 20:14, 18 February 2021 (UTC)


 * For the past year, the New York government response to COVID-19 has received a massive amount of coverage (including Cuomo in particular). Looking at the very long COVID-19 pandemic in New York (state) article, I have a hard time seeing spinning out this sub-issue as the ideal way to break that article up (which isn't to say we shouldn't cover it, of course). The ideal would probably be to spin out New York state government response to COVID-19, which would certainly contain a subsection on this subject (and could also be home to another article that doesn't seem like it needs a stand-alone article yet, Matilda's Law). That said, starting such a page would be a big project, so in the absence of that route... I'm torn between merging into the main article, redirecting to the Cuomo article (where there is a section), or leaving it be to see what happens. Probably weakly leaning redirect, but not enough to bold. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 21:18, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Unnecessary WP:CONTENTFORK. Merge any relevant information to Andrew Cuomo. KidAd   talk  22:13, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable, a big scandal, and widely reported in the news. It deserves its own article. CountyCountry (talk) 10:41, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep the COVID numbers in New York are some of the worst in the entire world, perhaps in no small part because of Cuomo's nursing home actions. The initial response and coverup is entirely appropriate and DUE for a standalone article. I would agree that the rename suggested above is better. Mr Ernie (talk) 21:18, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep The story is unfolding and the content is already too much for Andrew Cuomo's page. Nordostsüdwest (talk) 22:27, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a major news story. The coverage of the scandal is far too significant for just a paragraph or two on the Andrew Cuomo or New York COVID 19 Pandemic articles. Thriley (talk) 23:27, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per comments above. X-Editor (talk) 03:26, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


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