Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Guenther


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The result was no consensus. Three relists later and we are no closer to forming a consensus on this one. Daniel (talk) 04:31, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Andrew Guenther

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A search does not find any sources beyond trivial mentions. There are a few good sources mentioned in the article, but I do not think those claimed in the article add up to notability. GNG fail. --- Possibly (talk) 01:32, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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 * Week Keep, there are some critical review of the artist's work like and featuring at . The article length is not per with the notability nonetheless. Chirota (talk) 01:50, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Is artcardsreview.cc a known reliable source? That looks like a blog to me. --- Possibly (talk) 02:05, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , I could see there is an editorial team who runs the site as its mentioned here, but not certain if their editorial oversight is enough for considering it as reputed. But definitely its not a blog. I am free to change the !vote to delete if others come up with strong arguments in favor of deletion. Chirota (talk) 22:07, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:16, 24 May 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - I did my due diligence and I am not convinced that this artist meets WP:ARTIST or WP:GNG. There is little to no press coverage outside of passing mentions at non-notable art museums. I do not see any content provided in the current article that convinces me of anything of worth, either. It's WP:TOOSOON. Missvain (talk) 03:30, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TheChronium  11:31, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Artist has been reviewed multiple times in The New York Times. See the following reviews:, , . Passes WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 04:14, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I looked at those NYT sources. The first is a namecheck that tells us only that he was in a group show. The second and third one you give are actually the same article, which says, in total, "Karlos Carcamo, Andrew Guenther, the collaborative group Emic-Etic and Gedi Sibony comport themselves with widely varying degrees of effectiveness." The three NYT sources you say are SIGCOV are definitely trivial coverage.--- Possibly (talk) 04:22, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I wouldn’t consider a featured picture of one his pieces in a New York Times review of a show he is in “trivial”. I think are not evaluating the first source properly in terms of its significance. 4meter4 (talk) 04:25, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * When we look for independent coverage, we are looking for what critics say about their work. The actual work being reproduced somewhere is good, but not really independent coverage. All the article says is "artists such as Ai Weiwei, Tim Barber, Francesco Clemente, Andrew Guenther, KAWS, Richard Prince, Tom Sachs and Kiki Smith have contributed cycling-themed work." All we have learned from the three sources above is that a) he made a bicycle themed work that was in a group show, and b) that he was in another show with a collective of artists. That's why this is trivial coverage: it does not tell us much.--- Possibly (talk) 04:37, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – bradv  🍁  15:46, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The nyt references are trivial (the first one) and lacking depth (second). artcards.cc interview doesn't feel truly independent of the subject. I can't find anything else myself. — Alalch Emis (talk) 18:05, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article provides 316 words of coverage about Andrew Guenther before printing an interview with him. The article notes: "Andrew Guenther is not afraid to take risks, or to show the dark side of humanity by representing the nebulous American dream as the American nightmare. His palette often oozes with acidic color, and he renders the human form as if it just stepped out of a George Romero zombie flick. Sometimes forgoing canvas and painting directly on the wall, he creates what looks like a funhouse seen through the lens of a heavy-metal hippie cult."   The article notes: "In the paintings of Andrew Guenther, the primitive reappears in signifiers of opposition and difference, which take the form of masks, coconuts, and juxtaposed complementary colors. Still, the results are oddly calm—unruffled and unruffling. Guenther employs compositional symmetry, a practiced blend of staining and impasto, and an enormous formal variety characterized by a complex layering of color to achieve visually striking results."  The above two sources provide enough coverage to establish notability. https://themissionprojects.com/artist/andrewguenther/aboutInternet Archive has a bibliography containing sources that might provide more coverage of Andrew Guenther: <li>2011, Featured Artist: Andrew Guenther, Artcards Review, Carissa Pelleteri, March 8, 2011</li> <li>2009, Lee, Yvonne, Made You Look, Theme Magazine Issue 20, p 62-65</li> <li>Tarnowski, Dan, Andrew Guenther @ Freight and Volume, Whitehot Magazine, Jan 2009</li> <li>2008, Feeding Your Demons, Tricycle Magazine, Summer 2008, p 38-115</li> <li>Hackett, Regina, East Coast Artist Fail to Stay Grounded in “Supernature,” Seattle Post- Intelligencer, March 14 2008.</li> <li>2007, Bors, Chris, Andrew Guenther in New York, artinfo.com, Dec. 212 2007</li> <li>Suarez de Jesus, Carlos, Close Encounters of the Absurd Kind, Miami New Times, April 27, 2007</li> <li>Crow, Kelly, New York Art Fairs, Miami Style, Wall Street Journal, Feb 16, 2007, pW3</li> <li>Herrera, Adriana, Naturaleza e Imaginacion Urbana, El Nuevo Herald, Jan14, 2007</li> <li>2006, Guenther, Andrew, Artists On Spirituality, Art Asia Pacific, Winter 2007, p 84</li> <li>Grabner, Michelle, Andrew Guenther, Bucket Rider Gallery, Artforum, Nov 2006, p 304.</li> <li>Herstatt, Claudia, “Karaoke im Arbeiterviertel,” Der Tagesspeigel, N.R. 19 306, Sept 9, 2006, p24.</li> <li>Painting People: Figure Painting Today, Charlotte Mullins, Distributed Art Publishers, Inc., pp 92-3.</li> <li>Pisano, Hortense. “Niedliche Horribles,” Frankfurter Rundschau, June 10, no 133, p15.</li> <li>Allen, Kate. “Bad to the Bone,” Paper City, Houston, May, p49.</li> <li>Hohmann, Silke. “Hotspot der Kunst,” Monopol no 6, Dec/Jan p34.</li> <li>2005, Bae, James, You are Here, Art Lies, Issue #48</li> <li>The Triumph of Painting. Saatchi Gallery, London: Jonathan Cape/Random House, pp 286-7.</li> <li>‘Ghosts Bleeding Rainbows,’ Warior Magazine. Vol 2, #1, pp16 – 18.</li> <li>‘Sticks & Stones’, Time Out New York. August 11 - 17, Issue 515. p61.</li> <li>2004, “Mixed Paint,” Flash Art, vol. XXXVII, n° 239. Nov-Dec, p 91.</li> <li>Smith, Roberta, “Colony,” The New York Times, Apr 9, p E37.</li> <li>2003, Robinson, Walter. “New Art Rules at Scope,” www.artnet.com, Mar 10.</li> <li>Dannatt, Adrian. “Words Ideas and Etymology,” The Art Newspaper, vol. XIII, n° 134. Mar, p 28.</li> <li>K48, Issue 4, pp 96-7.</li> <li>2002, Dannatt, Adrian. “Spelling it Out,” The Art Newspaper, vol. XIII, n° 129. Oct, p33.</li> <li>The Village Voice, Sep 25-Oct 1, vol. XLVII, n° 39.</li> <li>Robinson, Walter. “Weekend Update,” www.artnet.com, Sep 9.</li> </ol></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Andrew Guenther to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 11:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC) </li></ul>


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