Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Jones (Missouri politician)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. ✗ plicit  23:29, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Andrew Jones (Missouri politician)

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Fails the requirements of WP:NPOLITICIAN, has yet to be elected to a notable position. Noting Wikipedia is not for posting profiles of aspiring politicians. Dan arndt (talk) 06:15, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Missouri. Dan arndt (talk) 06:15, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * &mdash; This article about Andrew Jones (Missouri politician) is necessary to understand what happened in the 2021 St. Louis mayoral election. In the course of authoring this article, I learned that Jones is running for yet another office (this one: 2022 United States House of Representatives elections in Missouri).  I certainly hope that Cori Bush beats him (and it looks like she will, per undefined), but there is plenty of precedent for challengers nominated by Republicans or the Democrats to have articles (see 2022 United States House of Representatives elections).  I'll grant you I have my biases (which I share on my conflict-of-interest page), but really, I'm trying to learn about that 2021 St. Louis mayoral election myself.  It would seem that there may be editors on this wiki trying to obfuscate what happened in 2021 (e.g. given how events played out for Lewis E. Reed after the election, I wouldn't be surprised if he'd prefer to lay low).  I would appreciate the opportunity to expand the article about Mr. Jones prior to seeing the article deleted.  Moreover, it seems that Wikipedia has a pro-incumbent bias, where the only way to gain notability is to hold office already.  Most of the people running in the 2021 St. Louis mayoral election can cite their incumbency as justification for having articles.  Let's not be so quick to delete articles of minority candidates like Andrew Jones this as "non-notable".  Not all of the biographical articles on Wikipedia need to be about white dudes.  -- RobLa (talk) 07:19, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * - the argument that it should be retained just because other stuff exists is not a valid or legitimate reason for the article to be retained. The requirements for WP:NPOL apply to ensure that Wikipedia is not littered with articles on political nominees, which by your preceding statement he is unlikely to ever achieve a notable political office. I'd suggest that this either be moved to a draft until such time as you can find significant coverage about Mr. Jones, outside of his running for political office, or that you expand the article on the 2021 St. Louis mayoral election. 07:27, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting as there is an unbolded "Keep" in here. Could the editors consider the possibility of Draftifying or a Merge? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:48, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete I recommend that any relevant information about the subject be included in the articles for the 2021 St. Louis mayoral election and 2022 United States House of Representatives elections in Missouri. Those pages are appropriate to include more verifiable details about challengers and I think, in general, the election pages do not do a good job of explaining how a race unfolds (just lets put in rumors of potential candidates, who actually qualifies for the ballot, add in a few polls and notable endorsements, and results - poof done), when I think there is a lot that can be fleshed out in the prose. I think this is especially true for elections that are not "first past the post" districts or where political parties (in the US), go all in in a district for the first time in a while. But I digress, the article should be deleted because the subject does not pass WP:GNG and there is no ideal redirect target. --Enos733 (talk) 03:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. People do not get Wikipedia articles just for standing as candidates in elections they didn't win — the notability bar for politicians is holding a notable office, not just running for one — but this demonstrates neither that he had preexisting notability for other reasons independently of unsuccessful election candidacies nor that he would have a credible claim to his candidacies being special cases of greater and more enduring significance than most other people's candidacies. If the election itself needs more context, then the place for that context is in the election article, not in standalone BLPs of unelected candidates. Bearcat (talk) 13:54, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete not a politician and not at GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 14:26, 30 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.