Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Kenneth Martin (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Yunshui 雲 水 07:43, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Andrew Kenneth Martin
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WP:BLP of an actor and filmmaker, not properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing either WP:NACTOR or WP:CREATIVE. His only notability claim as an actor is a single role in a TV series, and his sole notability claim as a filmmaker is winning an award at a minor film festival, neither of which is an instant inclusion freebie: NACTOR calls for multiple major roles, not just one, and CREATIVE calls for top-level film awards on the order of TIFF or the Canadian Screen Awards, not just any small fry award that exists. None of this is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be much better sourced than this. Note that the first discussion is not definitive, as it was conducted 12 years ago and Wikipedia's notability standards have been tightened up considerably since 2008. Bearcat (talk) 22:30, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Promotional article for a non-notable actor. Does not pass WP:CREATIVE nor WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG. I could not find anything online to substantiate notability - just a lot of social media by the actor themself. It may be a case of WP:TOOSOON, however it seems that nothing has changed since 2006. Netherzone (talk) 23:04, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I cannot find any sourcing while searching using the name Andrew Kenneth Martin.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:15, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: Please note that the subject also goes by the name of "Andrew Martin"—I saw him in an episode of Air Crash Investigations and he was credited as such, and he has two separate imdb pages. Dflaw4 (talk) 09:18, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Please note that even the self-published résumé on Andrew Kenneth Martin's own website doesn't claim or list any of the credits present in the "Andrew Martin (VIII)" profile on IMDb. So you need much more than just "I saw him" as a source for the claim that the two profiles are for the same person, if he doesn't even claim that about himself. And even if they were the same person, merely having one or more IMDb profiles is not a notability freebie in the absence of media coverage. Bearcat (talk) 03:22, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Bearcat, I'm not implying that having two profiles confers any notability. I'm not actually voting on this AfD, either. I simply left my comment so that others may search under both names for the purposes of determining whether the notability standards have been met. If, however, others choose not to believe that the two profiles are for the same person, that is their prerogative—but it can be easily verified by anyone who has access to the Air Crash Investigation episode. Thanks, Dflaw4 (talk) 03:44, 14 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete This article is currently sourced to IMDb and his personal website. This means we have no reliable sources, let alone a reliable source that shows that the two IMDb pages are actually on the same person. If IMDb lists this one person as two people, this is a sign of why we need to rely way less than we do on IMDb (we have lots of articles only sourced to IMDb, despite that being a total violation of policy).John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:11, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, Per above, Can't find significant coverage, the article looks promotional. Alex-h (talk) 15:12, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete neither of the two sources are reliable and a search doesn't come up with enough to put Martin above the WP:GNG threshold. Best, GPL93 (talk) 17:52, 17 March 2020 (UTC)


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