Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Leone


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The result was   delete. Tone 22:35, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Andrew Leone

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He's a non notable MMA fighter. He's had 3 total fights, none with a major organization. He fails WP:MMANOT.

I am also nominating the following related pages because none of these fighters pass WP:MMANOT either. I realize it's a long list, but I thought I'd just put them in 1 list instead of opening up many AfD discussions. Papaursa (talk) 23:24, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Froilan Sarenas
 * Rodrigo Praxedes
 * Tim Newman
 * Bashir Ahmad (Fighter)
 * Bashir Ahmad (martial artist)
 * Mark Ellis (fighter)
 * Saengchot Parkaiphet
 * Jasor Ablasi
 * Jake Bostwick
 * Jimmy Millar (fighter)
 * Mark Carling
 * Ngoo Ditty
 * Alex Silva(fighter)
 * Shannon Wiratchai
 * Ben Smith (fighter)
 * Wiktor Svensson
 * Seung Ho Yang
 * Sung Ming Yen
 * Alan Fenandes
 * Huseyin Garabet
 * Jamaine Facey
 * Pedro Galiza
 * Mark Potter (fighter)
 * Nick Chapman
 * Daniel Digby
 * Diego Vital
 * Peter Irving
 * Reagan Penn
 * Carl Noon
 * Nathan Beer


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Papaursa (talk) 23:24, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:56, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete all but Daniel Digby, whose write up in is way more than a passing mention even if it is local, as well as the general generic listings, *might* be enough to keep (for him, i say weak keep).  The rest, delete seems clear as they have few fights, only stats references and are simply too new to have attracted much press yet.  Maybe next year.  And may I recommend grouping these in smaller groups next time, say 5 per AFD.  Not everyone is going to want to read and look up so many names in one group, and I'm hoping I didn't miss something due to the sheer volume of work to do so.  And how it may attract !votes more from people who won't look them up instead of people who will.  Still better than individual AFDs, I agree on that point.  Dennis Brown (talk) 02:51, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * With 0 fights for notable organizations he certainly doesn't meet WP:MMANOT and a write-up in a local paper certainly isn't enough to show the significant coverage required for WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 03:14, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete all There isn't a single fighter on this list that has fought multiple times for a major promotion, with some never even fighting for a second or third-tier promotion. Could they be notable some day? Sure. But, there isn't anyone on this list that is notable now. Lacking any independent coverage that could be used to source these pages causes them to clearly fail WP:MMANOT. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 03:29, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete all I didn't realize there were so many fighters on Wikipedia with just 1 or 2 fights for a local promotion. It's obvious that none of these fighters meet the notability criteria at WP:MMANOT.  Since there are several thousand MMA articles on Wikipedia, I suspect there's a lot more non-notable fighters and events out there. Mdtemp (talk) 15:04, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete all as ably explained above. Neutralitytalk 23:08, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Froilan Sarenas is the middleweight champion of the URCC an organization which has put on over 50 shows and has been in existence since 2002. He has also been the subject of a feature in a major MMA website and his name has been mentioned in national newspapers in the Philippines on multiple occasions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.3.67.78 (talk) 06:52, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * He has also only fought three times as a professional. The issue isn't whether URCC is notable. It is whether or not the fighter is. Has his name been mentioned in some other capacity than as a fighter? He might be notable for some other reason, but having only three fights in a regional promotion nearly guarantees that he isn't notable yet as a fighter. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 02:47, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I would argue that Froilen Sarenas meets the following criteria because his name has been mentioned on multiple national newspapers in the Philippines and on multiple MMA websites:

Subject of multiple independent articles/documentaries--articles should be from national or international media, not just local coverage or press releases from organizations 58.8.176.82 (talk) 16:53, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Reagan Penn although does not have a lot of fights under his belt, search him on youtube. he has many great video's on brazilian jiu jitsu with his brother B.J. Penn. Also as long as he is B.J.'s brother Reagan will be a search term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grungephreak (talk • contribs) 03:26, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Tonight he won his second MMA bout at a local MMA event. His "notability" comes from being BJ's brother and notability is not inherited. Papaursa (talk) 03:56, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Not even. The results of his fight tonight was a decision loss. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 05:35, 6 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete all As previously mentioned by several other editors, none of these fighters are even close to meeting WP:MMANOT. Astudent0 (talk) 19:13, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete all No evidence of notability from RS. Ebikeguy (talk) 21:41, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

1:Subject of multiple independent articles/documentaries--articles should be from national or international media, not just local coverage. 2:Promotes a large number of events annually--the more fights it has sanctioned, the more notable. 3:Has actively been in business for several years - the longer the organization has been around, the more notable. 4:Large number of well-known and highly ranked fighters.
 * Why Delete Bashir Ahmad I understand that you have deleted or at least petitioned to put the page up for deletion due to the fact that it does not meet the wikipedia requirement of :

I had linked 3 articles mentioning him, all three of which are well known publications that include, Fighter's Only and Bloody Elbow This guy is the pioneer of MMA in Pakistan, introduced the sport and runs the only MMA organization in the country, PAK MMA, and organizes events and seminars through out the country on a regular basis, the fact that there is almost no publication regarding MMA in south asia we donot have any media coverage, instead we use our own site to promote the sport in South Asia (www.pak-mma.com) Has been in Martial Arts since 2006, actively competing in the Muay Thai circuit since 2008 and will make MMA debut in 2011 in One FC. So 3/4 requirement are being fulfilled, then why the deletion? Apart from that he will be the first person to represent Pakistan in International and Professional MMA event, ONE FC, and apart from all that if that is your criteria, then why did you not delete Radeem Rahman's page who is also the first MMA fighter to represent in country and has only fought once? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.71.10.129 (talk) 13:56, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
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'''Deleting Tim Newman was mistake!!! Please reinstate''' Tim Newman has competed in BAMMA twice now, at BAMMA 4 & BAMMA 5, and he is set to make his third appearance at BAMMA 8, which will mean he will meet another criteria supporting notability with WP:MMANOT, as this means he would of competed at a top tier promotion three times. Yes he hasn't competed three times yet and there always the chance he could get injured before then but until it is announced he is injured, it would be for the best to reinstate his page for now due to being part of the card, and if he does compete at the event, this should be made permanent. He has also been the mark of numerous articles along with being part of the BAMMA events he has competed in and there are far worse MMA fighter pages that are given the benefit of the doubt on Wikipedia anyway so I hope someone will back me up on this. (BigzMMA 14:51, 18 November 2011 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BigzMMA (talk • contribs)