Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Norton (politician)


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The result was   delete. Courcelles 00:27, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Andrew Norton (politician)

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Not noteworthy, First Person Links &#9760; Travis "TeamColtra" McCrea  &#9760; - (T)(C) 20:47, 9 December 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cirt (talk) 05:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It appears from this article's talk page that this nomination is a result of an off-wiki dispute between the subject and nominator. As a member of another another Pirate Party I would say that as former head of the United States Pirate Party and coordinator of the first incarnation of Pirate Parties International that he is somewhat noteworthy and has been mentioned in some WP:RS, as has been mentioned on the article talk page. The article does need some more reliable sources but I think the article should be fixed before it should be deleted - especially if the main motivation behind the deletion is not an improvement of Wikipedia but the furthering of an off-wiki dispute. Thus, I say Keep and improve for the time being, if insufficient WP:RS appear then bring it back at a later date. -- M2Ys4U ( talk ) 06:00, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You got it M2Ys4U. The animosity Travis has for me is longstanding. Of course, Travis knows plenty of WP:RS (he was in charge of promoting the party, that was his job for 5 months) but instead of adding them, he choses to try and delete, what twice in three weeks? I'd add them myself, but it's not really allowed, is it? Never mind, I'll dig up links and send them to others to evaluate.Ktetch (talk) 17:29, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You can post them in this AFD for editors to evaluate. I'm certainly open to revisiting my opinion if sources can be produced. -- Whpq (talk) 18:48, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, some sources. Not sure on the RS of some but here we go. Since Robotics is mentioned as my degree, we can start there. I was on the UK Show RobotWars, as part of the middleweight winning team, running Hard Cheese (final episodes of both season 2 and season 3 of the show confirm). I also worked on the US show BattleBots including as a safety and technical inspector, and running the pits. Quite a lot of background footage throughout the seasons of that, plus things like Battlebot Beginnings - badges here (not an RS I know, since it's my own, old (untouched since i moved to the US site). I was also profiled on ComedyCentral.com during the 2.0 season, and was the frontpage for a day (alas I have no copy of it any more, and the internet archive doesn't carry that particular day, I've sent an email to them asking for them to check their archives). Finally, I was in episode 10 of Spaced (including some personal closeups, such as 20:39 on the hulu copy). I'm digging through for some 'politician' ones. And I think the only reason Gamesbart used _(politician) is because there's already another Andrew Norton, and that best describes what I'm currently doing in one word. Oh, and I think i'm in 'yes Admiral Ozzel' (ISBN 1840241039) as well (Michael was the first friend my wife met), from my sci-fi event days. Ktetch (talk) 23:06, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - As an unelected politician, he does not meet WP:POLITICIAN. I can find no significant independent coverage in reliable sources to establish notability, so WP:GNG is also not satisfied.  The sourcing in the article is not independent.  I can find no coverage myself.  The sourcces alluded to boce in the article talk page are not sources, but assertions that coverage exists without actually providing any examples of said coverage.  He is quoted in articles, but that's not coverage about him. -- Whpq (talk) 14:21, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable. He was chairman for a year and a half of a very, very minor political party which has never run a candidate for office. The only coverage found is self-referential. --MelanieN (talk) 14:53, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep and improve As head of the national party, and the first head of the international group, it's notable, but needs moer sources. Look at Michael Steele, The majority of that article is about his time as RNC chair, rather than his time as an elected politician (Lt Gov somewhere) or if you want another politician that ran, and didn't win a seat, there's Michael Badnarik. I also think that there's a strong personal motivation behind the deletion. MOst of the other Pirate Party articles are even worse sourced, and they have not been put up for deletion. Muon1 (talk) 17:39, 15 December 2010 (UTC) — Muon1 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment Comparing the national chairman of the Republican Party to the national chairman of a minor-to-trivial party like the Pirate Party is ludicrous. In particular, Michael Steele has generated a ton of coverage as national chairman, while Andrew Norton has generated virtually none. In my opinion the Pirate parties are barely notable (neither of them has ever run a candidate for election or gotten certified to appear on a state ballot), but I am leaving them alone since most of us tend to cut political parties a lot of slack. However, I have put a note on the talk page of Talk:Pirate Party of Oklahoma saying that I think the state party does not deserve its own article and should be merged/redirected to United States Pirate Party - as per WP:CLUB which indicates that local chapters of national organizations are not generally notable. --MelanieN (talk) 23:42, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Neither of them? Theres about 30 different parties. and as for 'never run a candidate or been certified' there are two Pirate MEP's in Sweden, elected while I was head of Pirate Party International (in fact trying to get people into office for a big multi-national election like that was WHY I moved over to be PPI's first head, and the strain of it was why i stepped down not long after the election. Ktetch (talk) 23:54, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I was unclear. Yes, there are Pirate Parties in Europe that have some credibility. I was talking about the two Pirate Party affiliates linked to Andrew Norton (which I gather is you) - namely the United States Pirate Party and the Pirate Parties International. Those both seem pretty trivial at this point, but there seems to be some ongoing activity so I am willing to leave their articles alone. The discussion here is about this article about you. It's possible that you as an individual will get more coverage at some future time, but for now you don't seem to meet Wikipedia's notability requirements for an individual (which you can read at WP:BIO) - namely, significant coverage ABOUT YOU in independent reliable sources. There are other places where you can have articles, but Wikipedia's standards are pretty high. --MelanieN (talk) 00:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete. I think I agree with MelanieN's reasoning here. The Pirate Party Sweden is a party that has members elected to legislatures, the Pirate Party US and PPI does not. GNews search of "Andrew Norton" pirate suggests coverage is slim, and we don't keep articles just because someone promised that reliable sources will be added one day later. Oh, and Mr. Norton might want to read WP:PROUD before pushing for his inclusion on Wikipedia too hard. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 08:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 19:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 19:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
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