Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Soler


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Mailer Diablo 08:48, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Andrew Soler
This article was originally prod'd and the prod take was removed by the article's creator stating, "Soler has drawn a following among noir, underground readers and deserves mention in Wikipedia. He is not a complete unknown, as his works have stirred original discussion in and around California". However, after looking at this, WP:BIO, and anything else I could dig up, nothing came up to prove Soler's notability. There is nothing in Soler article that makes Soler actually appear notable or unique. He appears to be just normal and attempting to get into a larger scope of writing. So, this is a crystal ballism. Alos, Google for "Andrew Soler" + "San Fransico" doesn't verify anything notable. "Andrew Soler" also doesn't bring anything up. I also have a strange inclination to believe that this may infact by a vanity piece by the author looking at his other contribution and one of the google hits that I recieved on the front page. Delete as a not yet notable bio and crystal ballism. Yank sox  22:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, can't seem to find anything on the story titles, either. Well, except for the fact that there are several people with the real name of "Johnny Pagan" - how neat is that?  Sadly, this one doesn't even get past the verifiability requirement, much less the other concerns outlined above, unless something else turns up.  Kuru  talk  23:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- Gogo Dodo 00:33, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

>>Evening, people. It's necessary to equate notability with cyber representation. I get that. Soler's absence on search engines, however, should not be taken as a sign of obscurity, or worse - normalcy. On the streets, in coffee shops, his works DO generate discussion. I would know, having attended the same workshop as said author. His writings can be found in the San Fran bay area, in Long Beach, in the southern Californian desert - across the state and back again. The problem is the de-commercialization of his art. You won't find his writings at Barnes and Noble or Amazon. They won't rot in some university bookstore. They are circulated hand to hand, person to person. Free of charge.

Unlike most article creators, I refuse to claim unadulterated neutrality. I do know the author, through his works and a few brief encounters. I am a fan, and not the only one. There are others who've cozied up to his movement. Since we haven't created a webpage in his honor, and since his works never enter the commercial ether, I guess hes too unimportant for this place. Until he attends book signings and sells his art, I suppose he'll continue to be "just normal." Do you need me to email you legitimately published copies of his works, along with critical analyses from outside parties? That can be done in a second. In half a second.

I defend the article in haste, and fully aware that it will do absolutely nothing to impede the article's deletion. Since yanksox already has a "strange inclination" to suspect I am the author on a self-aggrandizing mission, I fear the article is dead already. Pity. -- Englandsfinest 05:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete. Non-notable according to Wikipedia standards. --Fang Aili talk 20:42, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * What we have here is an unpublished writer with no web presence. Delete. DJ Clayworth 20:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Article is unsourced and not verifiable. -- Wine Guy  Talk  21:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.