Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Welsh (rugby union)


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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:11, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Andrew Welsh (rugby union)

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Did not make a professional appearance, only on the bench. Played amateur rugby, and did not make a senior international appearance. JTtheOG (talk) 21:35, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Indeed. But since my intention is to have an article for every Glasgow Warriors player; it would seem very churlish indeed to leave him out on that basis. Every squad player in all the previous seasons has an article, his omission would raise more questions than answers.Aedis1 (talk) 00:14, 25 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete narrowly. This is a very tricky case I think. Welsh came as close as possible to playing for a pro team without actually doing so, if a prop had been injured during the game he'd have got his run on and the discussion wouldn't be taking place. However, he didn't get that run on and from the Scotsman source it appears he wasn't a full signed member of the Warriors squad ("East Kilbride’s Andrew Welsh in the stand-by squad of emergency front-row cover, in line with ERC rules.") so it's difficult to make a case for retaining the article despite the completeness angle. --Bcp67 (talk) 09:45, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

The pages for Glasgow Warriors on wikipedia are the most complete early history of the club. If wikipedia claims to be encyclopaedic then this entry should be maintained in the spirit of completeness. It would be difficult to justify his exclusion particularly when he was named as part of Glasgow's Heineken Cup squad at the start of the season.

Furthermore, it is not as if Heriots and Watsonians are not big enough clubs in their own right. Many player biography articles list these clubs as 'senior' teams. If Heriots and Watsonians were listed as 'senior' teams - as others have it - and Glasgow listed as a provincial team, which it is, would this article even be proposed for deletion?

Welsh was a Scotland Under 21 internationalist. Many professional players don't reach any international level, yet they are listed! I'm quite prepared to relist the article once the other Warriors players - that currently are not on wikipedia - are added, if that helps. There are only around 30 players left which need edited and the entire Warriors squads from 1996 season onwards will be listed. That shouldn't take too long to do. Welsh would be very conspicuous in his absence indeed!Aedis1 (talk) 17:24, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:42, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Rugby union-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:42, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  18:24, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as he has played with teams but none of this has claims for independent notability. SwisterTwister   talk  03:22, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per nom. GauchoDude (talk) 13:15, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


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