Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew and Daniel Frankish


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete per consensus. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 22:21, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Andrew and Daniel Frankish

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I'm not sure about this, but I have doubts about the article's neutrality. I'm not sure if this is to provide information,or to shame the people involved. Adam9007 (talk) 21:18, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Surely the article is a neutral account of an event which was of interest to hundreds of thousands of people? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IGotSatan (talk • contribs) 22:36, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Very poor sourcing - almost entirely comprised of sensationalistic tabloids which either fail BLP or come very close to the margins. No evidence that this event was of lasting significance and we'll certainly never know enough about these two people to write actual biographies of them. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 01:33, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * What counts as "lasting significance" of an event? --IGotSatan (talk) 10:16, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I would suggest reading WP:BIO1E, WP:BLP1E and WP:CRIME. Wikipedia is not a newspaper and we don't attempt to document and record every perpetrator of every crime ever. Guideline, in pertinent part: Where there are no appropriate existing articles, the criminal or victim in question should be the subject of a Wikipedia article only if one of the following applies: The motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy—such that it is a well-documented historic event. Generally, historic significance is indicated by sustained coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role. While utterly awful, there doesn't appear to me to be any evidence that this is a particularly noteworthy or historic crime. We need some critical distance from the event — preferably months to years — to know whether this merits an encyclopedia article. Even if the incident is determined to be notable, we would need to move the article a title such as 2016 Redcar animal cruelty incident, because the article would not be a biography of these two men, but rather an accounting of a criminal act. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 15:50, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep and redirect to 2016 Redcar animal cruelty incident. I am sure such awful cruelty has been reported in other reliable sources. Redirect the offenders names to the new article. Govindaharihari (talk) 17:57, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - with no redirect per WP:1EVENT. It is sad but not specifically notable. Meatsgains (talk) 18:29, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -WP is not a newspaper. Agree with WP:1EVENT. MB (talk) 21:46, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per 2 above. WP:1E. 12:17, 21 May 2016 (UTC) User:Boleyn
 * Delete. Of course it's to shame the people. Wikipedia is not a tabloid. Bishonen &#124; talk 18:23, 21 May 2016 (UTC).
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 06:11, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 06:11, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 11:41, 22 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:ONEEVENT and BLP concerns. If there were prior incidences of cruelty they were convicted of, please add them. As the article currently is, it is unlikely to satisfy WP:LASTING.-- Auric    talk  12:50, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a clear case of Wikipedia is not news and we have no reason to have this article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:23, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as per comments by User:NorthBySouthBaranof, WP:BLP1E and WP:SENSATION.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:35, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * SNOW Delete as nothing at all for any actual Wikipedia notability. SwisterTwister   talk  21:54, 25 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.