Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew dwyer


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The result was   Speedily deleted as a hoax. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 19:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Andrew dwyer

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This article was originally at Andrew Dwyer, which I deleted (CSD G3/G11/A7) and salted because it appeared to be astroturfing, spamming, and/or hoaxing by a group of individuals with no other edits to the encyclopedia. It reappeared here not too long thereafter. Ultimately, I am convinced that the article is not a hoax, per se, and a discussion of its merits is in order. It looks like merely a WP:COI article about an individual who does not appear notable from reliable sources. Most, if not all, of the supposed references provided are not legitimate sources, in that they are profiles, broken links, passing mentions, etc. I also find it highly suspicious that this article in all its incarnations has been edited only by accounts with no other contributions to the encyclopedia as well (viz. the deleted history of the original article). The key issue here is the notability, though, and I don't believe it can be satisfactorily fleshed out and sourced, and recommend its deletion. NOTE: The listing of DVS Group (or DVS Facilities, I'm not sure what the company actually calls itself, since it differs) on the Council of Foreign Relations website as a corporate partner may make the company notable to some extent (even though no other sources can verify this, or even the existence of the company), but does not automatically transfer notability to its key individuals. -- Kinu t /c  20:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. There are two problems here. The first one is verifiablity: a great deal of biographical data given is unsourced and at the moment appears unverifiable. Perhaps this could be fixed in time but there is a problem with WP:V now. The larger issue is notability. None of the references listed are directly cited in the article and most of them do not qualify as independent third-party reliable sources with ontrivial coverage as required by WP:BIO. A few sources are OK such as this and this, but they contain only very brief and cursory mentions of him. I tried some google searching, but with a common name like this it is hard to do filtering and I did not really find anything of substance. A google news search for "Andrew Dwyer" DVS gives 1 hit, but the link there is broken. Not enough here to pass WP:BIO or WP:N. Unless more independent third-party reliable sources are found (either in large number or a few with in-depth coverage), the article would have to be deleted. Nsk92 (talk) 22:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This cache link will help you out, Nsk92. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete I had a good look through the references. As Kinu says, the sources are very poor, broken links or passing mentions. There is no evidence that DVS Group, the janitorial company, is in anyway 'worldwide' or notable but there is evidence that DVS Group was founded in 2006 with share capital of $100. There is evidence that iCLEAN has only existed for one month; that Dwyers' education was at Ashford University rather than LSE, OU and Cornell University; that he was born in 1984 not 1977. There is evidence that he had political ambitions and also evidence that his candidature for political office was curtailed as he was ineligible for reasons that are not quoted in the article. Google searches (see the article talk page) throws up very little and nothing of use. This article fails WP:RS, WP:V and WP:N and while Andrew Dwyer and his DVS Group appear to exist, the rest unverifiable and some is seemingly wrong. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete, this editor continues to spam Wikipedia with unverifiable information, has twice removed the AfD tag, and has blanked this page. They were blocked once, but unblocked to be given a second chance, which they continue to abuse.   Corvus cornix  talk  01:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Followup: Andrew Dwyer is a disabled United States Air Force Veteran, a recipient of the National Defense Service Medal and the Congressional Order of Merit, and the President of DVS Group nationwide.  Cough.   Corvus cornix  talk  01:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Followup to the followup: He said he was employed as an air traffic controller in Alaska for three years after leaving the Air Force. Yet, at the time of the article, Mr. Dwyer's age was given as 24.  The charges against him were filed in 2005, which would have made him 22 at the time.  He left the Air Force when he was 19?  Unless things have changed, the last time I looked, an Air Force term was 4 years, and you had to be at least 17 to join, and only then with parental approval.   Corvus cornix  talk  02:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I strongly believe that User:Internet1807 (the author of the original version of this article, whom I blocked and is mentioned by Corvus cornix as blanking and removing related content) and User:Troythomas (the author of the current version of this article) are related, and possibly even sockpuppets or meatpuppets of one another. -- Kinu t /c  02:04, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete and Salt. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 02:02, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete , Person doesn't appear that notable at 1 Google hit only? Might be a work of a spammer. Artene50 (talk) 00:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 00:26, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.