Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrianjaka Razakatsitakatrandriana


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Consesnus of the discussion is that the original concern about being a hoax has been addressed. No prejudice to renomination if examination of the sources uncovered show a problem with verifiability. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  15:23, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Andrianjaka Razakatsitakatrandriana

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This kingdom did not even exist during the time that the article says this person was king, and the source has gone dead. It seems to be a hoax article. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 13:07, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * If this is a hoax then the article on his father Andriantsimitoviaminandriandehibe must also be a hoax. Polargeo (talk) 09:16, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have now fixed the broken link in the article. Polargeo (talk) 09:38, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Background info: After reading the comment below, I thought I should probably note for the convenience of other people who come across this discussion that the Wikipedia article on the Mernia Kingdom (the kingdom this person supposedly ruled) says that it existed from 1787-1897, and this article says this king ruled 1670-1675. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 17:02, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * If we are going on wikipedia Merina as our source then three or four kingdoms did in fact exist in Central Imerina before 1780. Polargeo (talk)
 * My understanding of the Merina Kingdom is that it was created by conquest by a pre-existing Merina ethnic group. They may have had leaders before they established a state.  (Ranavalona I is one of my heroes.) - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 23:11, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete, weakly. While it's possible that the Merina Kingdom existed before it conquered the rest of Madagascar, and even given the likelihood of variant spellings, I wouldn't expect Google Scholar and Books to draw a blank on a verifiable monarch.  - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 16:33, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Sources found by this search show that the kingdom existed before 1787, and identify the article subject's successor, but I can't find anything about the subject himself. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:41, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, Even none source.Jack007 (talk) 20:01, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment There is this source The Royal Ark. It appears that User:New Babylon 2 added several articles using "The Royal Ark" as a source. It is fairly clear that this not a hoax and the only issue may be the verifiability of information on The Roayal Ark website, although the detail there is amazing. There is also an article on this guy's brother Andriamasinavalona I think this needs relisting and all of these articles should be examined together. it is clear this deletion debate has not had all of the relevent information presented yet and several editors including the nominator have considered incorrectly that this article could be a hoax or that it has no sources. Polargeo (talk) 09:53, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * We should consider the following related pages


 * Andriamasinavalona his Brother
 * Andriantsimitoviaminandriandehibe his father
 * Andriamanitrinitany his other brother
 * Keep It is clear that he existed, there were kings (or Hova chiefs who later became known as kings) before him see Tananarive the period of his reign is verified in this book and this one Polargeo (talk) 10:44, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep as a verified monarch. Great work, Polargeo! Phil Bridger (talk) 11:58, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.