Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aneta Bogdan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Aneta Bogdan

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By all appearances, this is a person with an interesting career like millions of others, but hardly worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. Let's go through the sources.


 * For starters, This, this, this, this, this and this don't mention the subject at all


 * The reason why most of these references don't mention the subject is because they reference instead to Bogdan's company, through which she carried out her work. The Chartered Marketer reference is a database of people who hold that title, you need to search for the subject's name. And the reference about Vodafone's acquisition of Connex supports that exact statement. Please note that one reference is a video from the archive of the Romanian National Television, from the cultural TV show 'Garantat 100%', where Bogdan was invited in 2011. Onethreefour134 (talk) 16:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Then, what are her accomplishments? She:


 * Represented her company at a conference and presented a new logo -- i.e., she did her (fairly routine) job
 * The accomplishment here is more about the creation of the first ever visual identity for the Romanian National Football Team (I deemed it notable as a historic landmark, relevant for the sports field but also the general public, and I noticed that the logo is a detailed topic on the wiki pages of other national football teams). Onethreefour134 (talk) 16:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Became the first Romanian Fellow of the Chartered Institute of Marketing (how's that for a notability claim?) Onethreefour134
 * The notability is she was the first Romanian to receive this rare title Onethreefour134 (talk) 16:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Gave a TED Talk (like over 100 thousand others)
 * I chose TED Talks as a reliable and verifiable reference to illustrate and support the statement. Please let me know if a more suitable reference is necessary. Onethreefour134 (talk) 16:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Launched a book (no word on reviews or impact of said book)
 * Thank for pointing this out, I added more information on book and will look for reviews Onethreefour134 (talk) 16:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Got the book mentioned by a PR agency
 * Please note that AdHugger is not a PR agency (http://www.adhugger.net/about/). Onethreefour134 (talk) 16:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Had her company included in a branding hall of fame, together with many others
 * In brand & design industry this is a prestigious achievement, as this is a top 20 brand & design companies globally, many of which are well known and have Wiki pages (Pentagram, Brand Union, Interbrand etc.). Onethreefour134 (talk) 16:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

So again, I suppose the subject is fairly successful at what she does, but nothing here really stands out, and besides, such coverage as exists is mainly in the form of passing mentions. - Biruitorul Talk 15:19, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 03:09, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 03:09, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Lonehexagon (talk) 01:08, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Reluctant delete: I tried to find the 2018 English translation of her book, but it's not in WorldCat, Copac or Amazon. A publisher and an ISBN would help. If that had a couple of reviews in WP:RS we'd be starting to get some notability. As it stands ... nothing much here, sadly. Pam  D  08:57, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing this out, I have added the ISBN codes to both books (RO and EN) and will check for reviews. Onethreefour134 (talk) 16:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Here is an example of in-depth discussion about Aneta (as a person) which I added to the article. She has also been called the most powerful woman in Romania  and one of the 100 most powerful women in the world by Business Magazine. Combined with the sources that were already there, I think that's enough to pass WP:GNG for significant discussion in secondary sources. I think being called the most powerful woman in Romania is evidence for notability, too. Lonehexagon (talk) 01:00, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Just a technical comment: "cele mai puternice femei din România" means "the most powerful women in Romania". That article was run by a business magazine profiling the country's 200 most powerful businesswomen, excluding other domains were women are powerful, such as politics or entertainment.
 * Now, perhaps the subject is a "powerful woman". But nobody has called her "the most powerful woman in Romania", because that would be slightly absurd. - Biruitorul Talk 04:59, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I made amends to your statement, Lonehexagon, the reference is about including the subject in top 100 most powerful business women in 2012, by local news source Business Magazin Onethreefour134 (talk) 11:43, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Looks like this fails WP:GNG. The supposed notability of the enterprise doesn't quite translate to her, so most of the sources not mentioning her are chaff -- supposing they are relevant, they could be used in reference to the corporate entity, if anyone's really suggesting it's notable. The rest of the sources appear to be one-time mentions, and some are just puff-pieces in publications with no particular standing; others, such as FRF links, are not independent of the subject (the entity she rebranded reported on being rebranded). Her most solid claim to personal fame is a one-time inclusion as one of the 200 (not top ten or anything like that) most powerful (whatever that means) women in business for a rather small country (ell no, not "the world", at least read the sources you're using!) with an even smaller market by the editors of a magazine that is itself of dubious journalistic credentials (what's to say Business Magazin is a WP:RS?). Revista Tango is a gossip and lifestyle magazine, not some journalistic powerhouse; its coverage and especially its interviews are not necessarily proof of notability. As for AdHugger: that's not even PR, it a creator of spam. Dahn (talk) 16:53, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * As a side note, Please stop cutting into other people's comments. If you have to reply to every comment, do so in one paragraph, and outside the body of text you're replying to. Dahn (talk) 16:55, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Nothing in here that adequately addresses WP:BIO criteria.

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I see a straight split between "keep" and "delete" - more input requested.
 * Keep I believe the subject meets the WP:NG criteria. She has written a best seller book in Romania. I found citations of it in academic publications as well as inclusion in the bibliography of some academic environments, and added them to the article's references. The book was recently launched in its international (English) edition. She is notable in her field of work and considered a pioneer of the branding discipline in Romania. This is supported by the fact that in the past 15 years she has been the advisor to either the creation or rebranding of a quarter of the 50 most valuable Romanian brands (Brand Finance report 2017). And through her company, she has advised on the development of more than 100 new brands (these were included in dedicated book in 2010). Since then, a more recent reference mentions over 200 brands). She is the founder of the biggest brand and design company in Romania, which can also be considered notable given the international design awards it has received and the inclusion in the top 25 most reputable design companies world wide (by industry authority Rebrand). Also, the article follows the WP:RS criteria. The subject is significantly covered in the media, from TV shows to interviews and opinion pieces, in reliable and verifiable sources (Romanian National Television, established news organisations in Romania: Wall Street, Forbes, Jurnalul, Adevarul, Digi24, Business Review etc.). I have looked for replacements of some of the previously challenged Romanian references. But I would advise some precaution and double-checking before dismissing some of the international references, some are established in the industry of the subject (i.e. Underconsideration is a long time running opinion platform by designer Armin Vit, you can find him and the website referenced in many other wiki pages about creative professionals, i.e. Wally Ollins). Onethreefour134 (talk) 12:26, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  15:05, 5 April 2018 (UTC)


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