Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ang Mo Kio Secondary School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure)  TheSpecialUser TSU 01:49, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Ang Mo Kio Secondary School

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Lack of multiple and substantial reliable sources. Non notable school. It does exist, but that does not suffice. Bonkers The Clown (talk) 08:07, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Secondary schools are deemed to be notable by default, per numerous discussions at WikiProject Schools etc. Many if not most sec schools in Singapore have a WP article, including some that are very ordinary neighbourhood schools, so it would be bizarre to delete this particular one. As it happens, my impression is that this school is, if anything, a bit more notable than some others, in terms of its local reputation and achievements. E.g. it has recently won gold in SYF for band, choir and Malay drama. -- Alarics (talk) 12:48, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per long-standing consensus that secondary schools of confirmed existence are notable on a per se basis. Good biographies will include mention of a secondary school by name and these links should show blue, not red. Moreover, secondary schools are community landmarks and their affairs are invariably the object of coverage in the local press. Carrite (talk) 14:59, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Singapore-related deletion discussions. 19:34, 16 August 2012 (UTC)  • Gene93k (talk) 19:34, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. 19:34, 16 August 2012 (UTC)  • Gene93k (talk) 19:34, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep – Per Notability (high schools) and WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Northamerica1000(talk) 06:01, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, most elementary (primary) and middle schools that don't source a clear claim to notability are now getting merged or redirected in AfD. AMKSS is a middle school and further more it is not notable, unlike secondary schools like Singapore's Raffles Institution. It is just another average neighbourhood school. So hence, a merge to the locality of AMK would be a better choice. Also note the lack of independent and reliable third party sources; I don't think there are any. Bonkers The Clown (talk) 06:26, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. You are mistaken. Like most secondary schools in Singapore, AMKSS caters to the age range 12 to 17 inclusive. This is not a middle school. -- Alarics (talk) 19:17, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * a middle school in Singapore context means a secondary school. That's the confusing part. 116.87.21.115 (talk) 12:40, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * And yet this school actually has "secondary school" as part of its name! -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:50, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be because it actually is a secondary school, not a middle school. -- Alarics (talk) 21:25, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * In Singapore context, middle school equals to secondary school. So what do you mean when you say that it's not a middle school? It is! In Singapore context. Follow THAT context. Not The Queen's. Bonkers The Clown (talk) 06:13, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Schools for this age range are known in Singapore, as elsewhere, as secondary schools. But in any case, when you say "follow Singapore context" you are completely missing the point, which is that the relevant context here is Wikipedia. The WP convention is that secondary schools in the generally understood sense, which certainly includes AMKSS, are deemed to be notable by default. -- Alarics (talk) 06:47, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, there are officially no "middle schools" in Singapore. Go to the Ministry of Education page at http://app.sis.moe.gov.sg/schinfo/SIS_DirSvc.asp and you will see that they are divided into Primary, Secondary, and Junior College. -- Alarics (talk) 06:55, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. General consensus is that verified secondary schools (which this clearly is, since it educates up to age 17 - that is not a middle school, which usually only educate up to age 12) are notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:04, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Per Wikipedia:Notability (high schools) and WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:48, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
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