Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anga (region)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Draftify‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. This AFD is a discussion that went off the rails. I could relist it but I think that this would just prolong editors arguing over the article subject which is not what an AFD discussion is for. So, I'm following the guidance of the one editor who seems uninvolved and who "voted" and moving this article to Draft space. Content creators please be aware that if you move this back to main space, we'll likely have a quick return visit to AFD which might have a less gentle closure. Liz Read! Talk! 04:44, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Anga (region)

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The article is based on original research and synthesis that too of various unreliable sources. Fails wp:or and wp:v. Thanks— Mikeanand (talk) 05:59, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: India, Bihar,  and Jharkhand. &mdash;  Karnataka  talk  07:30, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Popular culture and Geography. &mdash;  Karnataka  talk  07:31, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete/Draftify - Most of the reliable sources in the article refer to the language Angika or the historical region Anga, both of which are notable. However, the sources used for the "modern Anga region" are supported by unreliable blog type sources catering to a certain POV. There isn't much in Google/Books either, most of which refer to Angu people instead, apart from above discussed language and historical region. I believe the article needs to removed from mainspace and draftified for failing WP:GNG. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:03, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: The creator of the page keeps removing the Afd notice.—Mikeanand (talk) 10:44, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Mikeanand keeps removing the reliable sources Biharpro7252 (talk) 12:02, 5 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment: As a neutral third party editor coming to this AfD, it's hard to sort out the merits of this article because stuff's getting removed as fast as Biharpro7252 can add it. This means I have to step through the page history reviewing this article, edit-by-edit. At some point, I'm inclined to give up and just say "keep", since that's the default decision for AfDs that are too hard.
 * This AfD was started during the article's construction less than 24 hours after the article was started. I don't think I've seen this before.
 * @Mikeanand, what's the rush?
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 15:14, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok. I think I should stop editing the page for some time so that a fair conclusion can come up. Thank you—￼ Mikeanand (talk) 15:19, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for understanding, Whenever I add any source @Mikeanand removes it. And It is even not 24 hours for creating this article. Biharpro7252 (talk) 15:20, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Most of the reliable sources refers to the Anga Cultural Region and The part of it including its History, Angika Cuisine, Manjusha Art, Music and Drama, Non-Profit Organistaions.I have carefully mentioned all the sources and the page should not be deleted ,its in the similar category in which Mithila(region), Bhojpuri region,Bundelkhand and Baghelkhand lies. Biharpro7252 (talk) 15:28, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The problem lies with original research to push a perticular wp:POV and utter disregard for wiki policies including wp:rs and wp:v. Thank you— Mikeanand (talk) 15:35, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Biharpro7252 and @Mikeanand - thanks for working together. I suggest you move your discussion now to Talk:Anga (region) and get agreement on sources, etc. there.
 * Mikeanand, you're a more experienced editor -- I encourage you to shift hats, for now, from "gatekeeper" to "coach". For now, try to help Biharpro7252 figure out how to build a real article if it can be done at all. This will also be good training for you if you decide to become an admin someday.
 * Biharpro7252, work hard to understand what Biharpro7252 has been telling you. Take 2 hours to read WP:V, WP:OR, WP:NPOV, WP:RS and WP:NOTE really thoroughly and digest the content. If your article is to survive, it and its references have to follow these rules.
 * When the article is further along in a few days, we can take another look here at deletion.
 * I care a lot less about keeping or deleting Anga (region) than I do a motivated new editor! And developing potential leadership.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 16:25, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I take your advice positively., I think we should work together to try and improve the article. I have made certain changes and started a talk page discussion on article talk page. You are free to ask any questions there. Thank you.— Mikeanand (talk) 00:00, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thats what I too want -Thank you Biharpro7252 (talk) 16:26, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I too take your advise positively. Thank You Biharpro7252 (talk) 16:27, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting to consider the major changes to this article. At this point though, with the viewpoints expressed, it seems like Draftification might be the way to go. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:38, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment After recent expansion, the still the issue is that most of the reliable sources and content added refer to the language Angika, the historical region Anga, and various cultural, cuisine and religious things that are already covered in stand alone articles or articles on administrative divisions. What is necessary for establishing WP:GNG is to have WP:RS, especially WP:SCHOLARY sources that explicitly describe the modern "Anga region" in quotes, which is not the case here. Skimming through Google-books, I couldn't any. Most of the sources talking about "Anga region" or "Anga Pradesh" are unreliable blog or Wiki-like sources. It is better to "draftify" it and improve  it there. Ping . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:28, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * look nicely to the source3 its all about ang culture Biharpro7252 (talk) 17:44, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No, it is not. The source "SOCIO-CULTURAL ASPECT OF ANGIKA" is wholly about the Angika language. The article title and the abstract clearly says it - "This paper aims at exploring the socio-cultural aspect of Angika, a language spoken in Bihar". It only makes a passing mention about "Ang Desh" only once (while talking about 'geolinguistics', the latter will serve better in the existing Angika language article), as well as the historical Anga kingdom. This source would serve better in the . Anyway, calims of a supposed "Ang Desh" needs to be widely covered in WP:RS sources. Which is why I'm in favour of dratification. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:45, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Angika is the linguistic language of Anga Region and Socio-cultural aspects of Angika refers Anga Culture. if you do not agree, refer to refernces 5 where it is clearly mentioned Bhagalpur(Anga Region) that is to say about whole Bhagalpur region which inc. Purnia,Kosi,Munger,Bhagalpur and Santhal Pargana Division (Modern days) and about Anga Script the prehistoric script of Angika language. Biharpro7252 (talk) 13:22, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , please read wp:or carefully. We cannot use own synthesis of sources. Thank you.— Mikeanand (talk) 13:34, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Please see nicely it is not an original research. Reference 5 is an ultimate source Biharpro7252 (talk) 05:58, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The reference 5 (this) is the only source of any value that mentions "Anga region" out of all the others you have added in the article, though I'm not sure about the reliability. Should consult at WP:RSN for WP:HISTRS. Anyway, the terms "Anga region" or "Anga Pradesh" should be widely covered in reliable sources (not one or two) for notability, independent of the language Angika and the historical kingdom of Anga. Try finding "Anga region" in books from reliable publishing houses like Oxford, etc. as well as university journals. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:48, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Like mithila can never be complete without maithili same is with Anga too.Anyway I will add more sources to it. Biharpro7252 (talk) 07:38, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I Request to end this deletion for Anga (region) more than 50 sources are added and some people are continuously targeting the page. Biharpro7252 (talk) 13:39, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * You can see Demands of languages for inclusion in the Eighth Schedule angika is one then
 * - Proverealbiharhistory (talk) 21:21, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment-: Reference 8 Jharkhand Sahivalye JGGLCCE Main Exam book clearly mentions that Angika a recognised additional official language of Jharkhand is spoken in Present time Anga region of Bihar and Jharkhand .here Anga is indicated as a region Biharpro7252 (talk) 13:53, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The cited source fails wp:rs. Regards. — Mikeanand (talk) 14:15, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * nope it does not Biharpro7252 (talk) 16:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment-: reference 41 Outlook is a weekly general interest English and Hindi news magazine published in India,It too has described Anga as seperate region or Angika-speaking region Biharpro7252 (talk) 16:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Not sure if it is acceptable as per WP:HISTRS. Regards— Mikeanand (talk) 12:17, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.