Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angela Berry-White


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 23:09, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Angela Berry-White

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 22:11, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Football. Joeykai (talk) 22:11, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indiana-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:12, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * keep See[][] also she was named the state’s Coach of the Year by the NSCAA see [][] another award in 2015 were she won Girls Coaches of the Year [] and see another award [] i think is significant enough to make her notable.Epcc12345 (talk) 00:10, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment I noticed you are the creator of the article, why are you nominating it for deletion? Epcc12345 (talk) 00:17, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 08:44, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources above which show notability. Needs improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 08:48, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per above. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 09:00, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources proving notability. I'll try to improve the article in the coming days. S.A. Julio (talk) 18:07, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * This article desperately needs cleanup. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:31, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:44, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Consider reverting to this version ahead of MOS-breaking edits by SPA (possible COI, as they seem to have a vast amount of unsourced info). Pam  D  08:31, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete . is not independent: ❌.  is a piece about her coaching a class 2A girls soccer team in the local press (Indy Star) and contains a lot of prose either not directly on her or repeating things Berry White said/felt (not independent/secondary analysis): ❌.  is a passing mention in the same outlet as #2 (and being voted a high school coach of the year at the state level obviously isn't an ANYBIO pass): ❌.  is identical to #3: ❌.  is a trivial mention in the non-independent list of winners of a minor award among participating coaches in Indiana: ❌.  is a passing mention in the non-independent announcement from SBJ of which SBJ executives correctly guessed who would win the Super Bowl: ❌. Even if source #2 was SIGCOV, GNG requires multiple SIGCOV sources, and that is far from being achieved here. JoelleJay (talk) 02:39, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - I also found 13, 14, and 15 among more sources, including offline ones having played for the US women's national team, the most successful women's national team. Capped played with ongoing coaching career. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 01:25, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep If the sources used in this discussion and those in the show are used, then the page will be fine, as it needs improvement rather than deletion. I agree with the arguments of Epcc12345, GiantSnowman, Das osmnezz, and S.A. Julio, and strongly disagree with the reasoning of the OP and JoelleJay, especially with the latter picking through every source.Historyday01 (talk) 03:49, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Detailed source analyses are strongly encouraged at AfD. What two RS here are each secondary, independent, and SIGCOV as assessed through the lens of NSPORT? I am willing to reconsider if sources with SIGCOV are found that aren't from the Indy Star (which is not intellectually independent from other pieces from the same outlet). JoelleJay (talk) 04:46, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - has significant coverage in sources that are independent - USA Today HSS, a big article in Indianapolis Star and another Indy Star article which is obviously more than a trivial mention. That should count for more than one source. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:52, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Spiderone, if those sources were all from different newspapers I would agree, but they're all from the Indy/Indianapolis Star so are not intellectually independent. JoelleJay (talk) 18:27, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Struck my !vote as I failed to realise the USA Today HSS was the same newspaper as the other two. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:39, 8 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment. I typically would impose a high bar on notability of high school coaches, but I do acknowledge the media bias against girls' sports, and I am impressed here by the depth of coverage I found on Newspapers.com. The in-depth piece from the Indy Star (cited above) was picked up in multiple newspapers. I realize it remains the same article but it takes it out of the realm of any argument that this is merely local coverage. Examples:, , . Also, according to this in-depth piece, she was a three-time All-American (WP:NCOLLATH pass?), a member of the USA national team, and a participant in the inaugural women's World Cup in 1991. See also here and here.  Cbl62 (talk) 20:00, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Further note. The three All-America honors does bring her within the scope of WP:NCOLLATH, prong 1. Cbl62 (talk) 20:10, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Having thought this through, I conclude that she passes both WP:NCOLLATH (prong 1 as a three-time All-American) and WP:GNG. There are multiple examples of SIGCOV from the Indy Star, several cited above. In addition, there is this from the Indiana Soccer Hall of Fame. Other factors influencing me to tilt to the "keep" side include (i) systemic bias against women's sports when she was a star in the 1980s, (ii) the fact that one of the Indy Star feature stories was also picked up by USA Today and other regional newspapers (e.g., , ), thus bringing the coverage outside of any argument that the coverage is only local, (iii) participation on Team USA at the inaugural women's World Cup. Cbl62 (talk) 20:15, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It is common for multiple newspapers or journals to publish the same story, sometimes with minor alterations or different headlines, but one story does not constitute multiple works. The IndyStar is just part of the USA Today network and publishes its sports content under that masthead; it's not USA Today itself publishing. And what is the ISHoF link supposed to mean? However, given your argument that NCOLLATH is met, I can agree that there's a plausible SPORTBASIC #5 pass indicative of further coverage somewhere. JoelleJay (talk) 21:32, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree with you that the Indy Star piece doesn't become multiple sources by being picked up in multiple outlets. My point was simply that its being picked up in multiple newspapers lessens any "local coverage" concern. In any event, thanks for keeping an open mind and reconsidering. Cbl62 (talk) 22:26, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I want to note that she did not participate in the 1991 Women's World Cup; the citation in the article quotes her as saying "I went to China in 1991 because I had friends on the team. People came up to me on the streets thinking I was on the team and wanting my autograph." I removed the World Cup sentence from the article. Joeykai (talk) 06:24, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching/fixing that. My bad. Cbl62 (talk) 16:29, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. The argument made by Cbl62 is enough to convince me that Berry-White is notable. I still believe the article desperately needs cleanup, though. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:24, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. The sources demonstrate notability and satisfy both WP:NATHLETE and WP:GNG. I’m not convinced by arguments that the provided sources are problematic, because they aren’t. I find them to be reliable and independent, suitable for demonstrating WP:NOTABILITY. If the subject wasn’t notable, I would support deleting. However, the sources demonstrate notability and satisfy WP:GNG and WP:NATHLETE. Shawn Teller (talk) 02:30, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - There are two solid Indy Star sources, which might be an issue in validating SIGCOV, but they were published decades apart (October 28, 1993 and July 5, 2020) with the second one placing her in a list of Indianapolis-area sporting "greats." I think it's just enough to satisfy the GNG. Jogurney (talk) 14:27, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per above sources passes WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:10, 10 March 2023 (UTC)


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