Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anglo-Saxon Attitudes

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 02:21, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Anglo-Saxon Attitudes
Delete. I'm putting this article up for a vote for deletion after finding it in the articles to be cleaned up section. On the talk page a few people have commented on the ambiguity and POV nature of the article and I simply have no idea what to do with it. The article talks about two authors who already have seperate articles written about them. If you take away those two sections of the article, then there really isn't much substance left to the article at all. It's such an obscure and non-notable subject that I feel it would be best to delete it. I don't see any hope of a merger or cleanup. --Randolph 14:44, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep &mdash; RJH 16:24, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. A an encyclopedic article for a known expression. Why would one want to remove "those two sections" that explain the history of the term? In this way one can decimate almost every article. Encyclopedia is not a bunch of 100% separated topics. Things tend to be interrelated and overlapped in real life. Mikkalai 18:07, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, it's not POV to document a POV expression, compare gringo and WASP. Kappa 19:49, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * if you keep it, move it to the correct title. Gdr 22:14, 2005 Apr 22 (UTC)
 * Keep WLD 22:41, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Perfectly decent article. I'll bet most people who encountered the phrase in Through the Looking-Glass were puzzled by the expression. An explanation of the background is worthwhile. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:36, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Keep. Much less obscure to those of us who read and write than articles about video game characters. alteripse 03:09, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep but rename to correct capitalisation. Radiant_* 10:29, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Nice little article. Capitalistroadster 03:30, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - this is not a common theme for discussion, does not convince me that the Alice reference is related to a broader discourse, and is incredibly poorly composed.XmarkX 09:08, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * It's also the title of a very well-known novel which has been continuously in print since 1956. It seems to have become a sort of catch-phrase like blue-plate special, used as a vaguely witty headline for all sorts of things. Google shows it to be the title of an academic conference, a title for a themed issue of an online journal of medieval northwestern Europe, etc. A search for the phrase "Anglo-Saxon attitudes" in a www.a9.com search limited to books shows many uses in the sense mentioned by the article. For example, Christopher Hitchens writes in a 1995 book, "But, like the migration of Shakespearean birds, Anglo-Saxon attitudes are able in the United States, in some sense, to cut with the grain." The main thing that this indeed-incredibly-poorly-composed article fails to do is to give any uses of the phrase contemporary with Lewis Carroll; that is, I still don't know what Carroll was riffing on. I do get the impression that most modern usage of the phrase is either a direct reference to Wilson's novel, a direct reference to Through the Looking-Glass, or a mere flippant use as a catch-phrase.  Dpbsmith (talk) 12:34, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Needs more background information, though. --Dcfleck 11:45, 2005 Apr 27 (UTC)
 * Keep - I just re-read Through the Looking Glass. humblefool&reg; 02:05, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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