Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anglo Marri wars


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Stifle (talk) 08:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Anglo Marri wars

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Contested prod. Innaccurate and misleading article - there are zero ghits for the subject and I can't find any other evidence for it. Marri, which is ludicrously out of date (based on the 1911 Britannica), mentions battles between the Marri tribe and British troops in the 1840s and some smaller skirmishes in the 1880s. The article's POV assertion that the Marri stopped "the Anglo influence" is over a century and a half adrift! The article fails WP:VER and WP:POV. Nothing worth stubbing and no point redirecting - it's simply wrong. andy (talk) 08:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, unsourced, unverifiable. No use redirecting. Huon (talk) 14:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep I don't think so that Encyclopedia Britannica reference is not sufficient. The article is updated now and the reference of EB is included. There has been many books written on this subject here in Pakistan and so in England but it would take some time by Wikipedians to include them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marrigreat (talk • contribs) 12:37, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - sorry, there's no such thing as the Anglo Marri wars. You've copied the 1911 EB article wholesale (probably from here) and it doesn't mention any Anglo Marri wars, just some fighting. You say there are other references but you haven't supplied them. The material in the article is over a century out of date, non-neutral and pretty much unverifiable. See 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica. andy (talk) 13:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - I am the primary author of this article. I agree with you at some extent, that there's no such thing as the Anglo Marri wars previously but it doesn't mean that it cann't be in future. It is unforgotten history of our tribe. I belong to Marri tribe. Thousand of Marris have been martyred in those wars. Our oral traditions and tribal records show us that we have faced heavy losses in those wars mentioned in the article. The free available article of Encyclopedia Britannica is just a tip of iceberg. The time will show in future that how much bloodshed have been faced by Marri tribe in their own territory. The disputed article of Anglo Marri wars is completely based on the article present in the 11th Edition of Encyclopedia Britannica. Second, as I mention earlier, that there many books have been written on the subject directly or indirectly in Pakistan for Urdu readers. For example a Urdu book by the title of Marri Baloch Jidojuhd Tareekh ky aainay main (English:Marri Baloch struggle in the light of history). The said book referenced the memories of British veteran Major Clibborn, which are easily available in India Office Records. As for your WP:POV concerns, the assertion "the Anglo influence" is not qualify for WP:POV but for your satisfaction, it has been changed to "The Anglo incursion" now. Marrigreat (talk) 03:56, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is information that belongs in Wikipedia. The question of whether the article should be called Anglo Marri wars or something else such as Anglo Marri conflicts can be decided on its talk page. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This seems a peculiar position to take given that the author of the article agrees that "there's no such thing as the Anglo Marri wars" and given the lack of any objective evidence beyond a couple of sentences in a century-old encyclopedia. The subject is, in any case, already in WP because of an almost identical entry in Marri, also drawn from the same source. What about WP:VER andy (talk) 22:33, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.   —andy (talk) 22:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - if this article is to be kept, it needs at least some indication that its subject matter even exists. Google Scholar and Google Book searches for "Anglo Marri" turned up empty. There may have been skirmishes twice in 40 years, but the current article gives no indication that they were related (it even notes that in between the Marri joined the British). These skirmishes seem to be part of the First and Second Anglo-Afghan War, respectively, and should be covered there. Huon (talk) 23:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


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