Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anibar International Animation Festival


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, as it was withdrawn by the nominator (see below) (non-admin closure) Electriccatfish2 (talk) 17:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Anibar International Animation Festival

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Google translate of Alban wp Rosenhaven (talk) 17:50, 17 June 2012 (UTC) — Rosenhaven (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep. Being a translation from another Wikipedia is not a valid reason for deletion. The subject's notability might be questionable but the nomination is faulty. De728631 (talk) 18:10, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep No valid deletion rationale. Default to WP:PRESERVE, in my case. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per invalid deletion rationale that ignores WP:ATD, WP:CSB, WP:PRESERVE, and WP:HANDLE. Being the ONLY such film festival in Kosovo makes this a unique enough accomplishment so that verifibility should encourage both patience and the seeking of input from Serbian language-reading AND (now) Albanian-language-reading Wikipedians with access to non-English sources that may not be available online. Heck.... this was trans-wiki'd just hours ago. Why the hurry from the SPA nominator to speedy delete and then rush to AFD when the speedy was declined... WHILE it was being actively edited? Wikipedia is a work-in-progress after all.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:24, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:30, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * seeking of input fron Serbian Wikipedians with access to non-English sources You lack knowledge. People in the country Kosovo speak Albanian and their enemies in the country Serbia speak Serbian. Rosenhaven (talk) 22:56, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Being the ONLY such film festival in Kosovo Please bring WP:RS for your claim or change your vote. Rosenhaven (talk) 23:07, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Check WP:NPA. The article makes that claim, not me. I seek input from those perhaps more able than myself to advise, no matter their native language... and have now added the Albanian delsort below, thank you.  AFD is not a vote, it is a discussion using application of existing policy and guidline... both in addressing a nomination by a single purpose account, and in questioning whether or not deletion policy was followed. It is not to be elavated to a WP:BATTLEGROUND by making it about Serbian-Albanian hostilities.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 02:23, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Check WP:NPA. No attack from me. Rosenhaven (talk) 03:45, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * and have now added the Albanian delsort below, thank you. You still lack knowledge. You also add discussion on California to WikiProject Deletion sorting/England only because they speak the same language? Let me guide you to WikiProject Deletion sorting/Kosovo. If you want to add it to some country, then add it there. Rosenhaven (talk) 03:45, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The article makes that claim, not me. You make the claim here by repeating it. Your Keep is based on unsourced claim in google translated article. Rosenhaven (talk) 03:45, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Emboldening your points is considered shouting. Shouting is consider rude. I make no claim, but simply repeat the article's assertion in the hope that an editor with access to non-English sources might assist, just as I have added this discussion to other delsorts. If somone able to find and offer a non-English sources does so, then fine. And I have no idea why you make an unjustified claim that I added California to Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/England, but suspect you said so to make a point. Thank you for suggesting it be added to the delsort for Kosovo. Now done.  When dealing with topics that may or may not have soures in a non-English language, I prefer getting as much input as possible from those more able to opine knowledgably. This would include adding to delsorts of the area's languages so that Serbian language-reading AND (now) Albanian-language-reading Wikipedians might assist.  And by the by, just as did the others before me, my keep was based upon your invalid deletion ratonale. Please read Deletion policy.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 07:03, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * sorry, not intended to be rude, bold removed Rosenhaven (talk) 13:12, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 02:23, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kosovo-related deletion discussions.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 07:03, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, being the only such competition in the country does not necessarily make it notable. To the best of my knowledge, I host the only competition in my country to see who can destroy the most keyboards accidentally within a given time frame.  This is unquestionably not notable, even though I know of no other in my country (or the world, at that).  --Nouniquenames (talk) 04:18, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Procedural Speedy Keep as no valid rationale for deletion has been provided.DarkAudit (talk) 08:15, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry for procedural mistake, please close this discussion. New discussion for notability discussion that is inappropriate here opened. Rosenhaven (talk) 13:12, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You've just compounded your procedural mistakes, as you cannot have two AfDs open at the same time, in your singular zeal to delete this article. (Incidentally I for one will oppose that one, too, as a Google search shows that the festival is internationally known, and I believe the difficulty is one of finding foreign language WP:RS). (talk) 14:14, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * See Articles for deletion/Anibar International Animation Festival (2nd nomination). De728631 (talk) 14:27, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Shawn in Montreal, you make a mistake. The originator requested this discussion closed (which is, as I understand it, allowable at that point as no dissenting opinion had been offered) before opening the other. Thus the second would have been openable (and ought not have been subject to procedural close) and this one should have been closed instead (now a moot point).  Also, Google results alone are not enough to establish notability.  If WP:RS cannot be found, notability cannot be established.  To suggest that you would vote contrary to the logical result of what you state as the likely problem is to suggest that your vote would not be based on the facts as you see them.  --Nouniquenames (talk) 04:18, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Being a translation is also not a reason for a keep. I do not see notability established in this article, nor anything resembling a reliable source.  --Nouniquenames (talk) 14:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added an WP:RS, using the foreign languages function of Google Search. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:24, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Per WP:GNG, one source alone doesn't seem to establish notability. Still a delete .  --Nouniquenames (talk) 17:49, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Note to closing admin - A second nomination was opened at Articles for deletion/Anibar International Animation Festival (2nd nomination) with a deletion rationale while this is open. Only non-procedural delete !vote there was from User:Nouniquenames who has commented likewise here. Second nomination has been closed. KTC (talk) 16:28, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I would actually be willing to withdraw my vote to close this (likely under SNOW) as it has mostly been a procedural debate instead of challenging the merits of the article. This would be with the understanding that, were the originator (or someone else) not to open a new AfD with better reasons listed, I would likely do so.  Even if the new AfD then fails, at least it can be based on the merits of the article instead of based on the procedural issues of this AfD (and the other one that was already closed).  --Nouniquenames (talk) 04:27, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:10, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Drop me a note and I'd be happy to do so myself WITH a proper deletion rationale.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 23:33, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Redacted earlier delete. Reasoning was based upon criteria unrelated to the proposal.  Recommending close as Snow Keep. --Nouniquenames (talk) 04:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I might close this myself per WP:IAR, but I am not a neutral party. Ping me when it is closed and I'll gladly do the nomination correctly, and invite participaints to revisit.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 23:10, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


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