Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anil Jha


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. In addition to the notability arguments raised, even a cursory glance at the article reveals it as written with promotional intent.  Sandstein  16:50, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Anil Jha

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Principal of a secondary school. The article makes the following claims of notability:
 * He's a District Chairman of Maithil Brahman Sabha. Being a VIP member of a regional caste club wouldn't make for a particularly strong claim of notability even if it were true (he's not listed among the District Committee members on the organisation's website and only appears in a list of 10 "Guardian members" ).
 * Former member of the Higher Secondary Education Board. Again, being among the 25 members in the assembly of an education board isn't a particularly strong claim of notability.
 * Recipient of the Kathmandu District Education Award. Seraching for the name of the award gives 6 wikipedia mirrors and 1 irrelevant result. Might be known under a different name in Nepali. Still, at the face of it, it's still a far cry from satisfying the relevant criterion 2 of WP:NPROF.
 * Former Vice-chairman of the Nepal Student Union. Not sure if notable, but it looks unverifiable, a google search [ reveals two pages of wikipedia mirrors and new items about other people with the same name.
 * Former chairman of the a teacher's trade union. That might be an indication of notability, but a google search isn't much more helpful than the previous one.

Given how common his name is, it's a bit difficult to find relevant sources. A search on the Kathmandu Post website (specifically modified to exclude the politician Anil Kumar Jha) returns 35 results, all of which are about other people (the closest match is the CEO of the texbook publisher JSSK).

Disclaimer: I've ony searched for English-language sources. Nepali-language ones remain beyond my reach. Uanfala (talk) 13:55, 13 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:59, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nepal-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:59, 13 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Note It's worth noting my primary rationale in case it's missed in all the details: I don't see any coverage of the subject, let alone one that is enough to meet the general notability guidelines. Uanfala (talk) 16:31, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Counter Arguments:-

>>> Maithil Brahman Sabha is a UNHRC recognized minority representing group in Nepal, rather than being a 'regional caste club'. Considering its role in securing the rights of minority groups in Nepal, it is a notable organization and being the District Chairman of the capital city in Nepal is certainly notable.

>>> Higher Secondary Education Board is not just an 'educational committee', it is Nepal government's official faction for regulating all the high schools in the country. And Anil Jha is not just a member in the 25 member committee, instead he is the sole representative of the Central Development Region, one of the five regions in Nepal and also the region hosting the capital city and most number of high schools in Nepal. So this is certainly notable.

>>> The District Education Award is the highest honor conferred to a teacher in Nepal and as it is provided to a very few number of outstanding teachers per year, receiving it is a great honor and worth mentioning.

>>> Again Nepal Students Union is the largest student led union in Nepal and has a massive influence in Nepali education and politocal sector. Furthermore, Anil Jha was its vice chairman during a time of great political turmoil in Nepal and so the notability of being its vice chairman was enormous.

As for the not finding enough info on Anil Jha in the internet as Uanfala has mentioned, please note that Nepal is currently in a transitional phase in digitalization and the use of internet is still not commonplace. So, I will include some further reliable citations as soon as they are available. Please note that although the citations not so specific, Mr Anil Jha is a notable and influential person in Nepal, especially in the education sector. So I can work towards improving the page asap.

This is presented as a defence to user Uanfala's arguments. Hope this is sufficient for the administrators. Abhishek Jha Nepal (talk) 17:09, 13 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Uanfala (talk) 19:27, 13 July 2016 (UTC)  removed from delsort 02:28, 14 July 2016 by Abhishek Jha Nepal. Uanfala (talk) 06:24, 16 July 2016 (UTC)


 * The subject is not involved in politics and such has not been stated in the articles. So might I ask why he was included in Politics related deletions? The politician Anil Kumar Jha was once a notable figure but given tha he remained a minister for a very short period and has been dormant in the recent years, he is currently no more notable than the subject in discussion.   Abhishek Jha Nepal (talk) 02:19, 14 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. Sources negligible. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:26, 13 July 2016 (UTC).


 * There are a lot of sources but most of them are in print form and not on the internet. So can I upload a snap of them on Wikimedia Commons and use that as a source, eh Xxanthippe?   Abhishek Jha Nepal (talk) 02:14, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * If it's actually a reliable source by Wikipedia standards, then uploading will not be necessary to make it reliable. And if not, then uploading will not be sufficient. If it's a document that only you own, then it's not reliable regardless of whether you upload it. And if someone else owns it, then it would be a copyright violation to upload it. So no, that is unlikely to help. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:24, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. The sources I mentioned are actually newspaper articles mentioning the subjects influence. Its just that those newspapers are not online yet, so its only available in print. Thus I recommend that the article should not be deleted just yet and should be given some time. Abhishek Jha Nepal (talk) 04:35, 14 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep . The article is well written about a notable person. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 06:59, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Good writing is applaudable, but reliable sources are essential. Xxanthippe (talk) 07:04, 14 July 2016 (UTC).
 * The sources provided are quite reliable.In fact they are the most reliable sources available in Nepal as they have been taken from the best selling national daily in Nepal. And just because some users don't understand Nepali doesn't make it less reliable or the subject in discussion less notable. Abhishek Jha Nepal (talk) 05:39, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I've struck out your !vote as you appear to have !voted again down the line and we're only allowed one !vote each. Thanks. Uanfala (talk) 06:14, 23 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as still nothing convincing for us own notability. SwisterTwister   talk  08:26, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * User Swister Twister please read the counter arguments I have provided above. And then kindly explain - if that's not notable what is? And the question has never been about notabiliy. User Uanfala, the nominator, himself has mentioned clearly on his talk page that he nominated the page for deletion because 'it really isn't worth the effort to constantly keep vandals off articles'. The only thing here is that the citations aren't enough and I am going to add some soon. So reconsider it. Abhishek Jha Nepal (talk) 05:39, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * What I said was that I went to the trouble of starting this AfD only because I didn't want to constantly keep vandals off an article that I believe isn't notable. Thanks. Uanfala (talk) 10:18, 15 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. The sources are all web pages abd the article is filled with OR. Agricola44 (talk) 14:58, 14 July 2016 (UTC).
 * So what should it be? Its the case in most of the biography related articles. Abhishek Jha Nepal (talk) 05:39, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. I agree with you – there are numerous existing articles that violate notability requirements. Instead of adding to the problem by creating more such articles, please start nominating such articles for deletion. Agricola44 (talk) 13:36, 15 July 2016 (UTC).
 * And I agree with you. I will get to nominating such articles asap, but sadly the article in discussion is not one of them.  Abhishek Jha Nepal (talk) 02:50, 20 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment. I put a spa tag on Abhishek Jha Nepal but he removed it. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:23, 15 July 2016 (UTC).
 * With all due respect, firstly, I dont understand why mentioning that has any reliability in this case. And secondly, I have edited hundreds of articles on Wikipedia as an unregistered user, so don't doubt my experience on Wikipedia. I had lost access to this account for a few years and I activated it just a few months ago. And as I have been busy for personal reasons in the past few months I haven't used this account on Wikipedia for contributions. Abhishek Jha Nepal (talk) 05:39, 15 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment Added some reliable citations to the page and deprecated some contents whose citations were unavailable at the moment. Abhishek Jha Nepal (talk) 06:40, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for adding references. I don't know Nepali but I've had a look at one of the sources you've provided and all I can see is a single sentence about a budget recommendation(statement?) made by the subject as a member of the Secondary Education Board. That only verifies the fact he was on that board and doesn't provide the coverage necessary for notability. I wrote at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Nepal so hopefully someone might be able to have a closer look. Uanfala (talk) 10:18, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * First of all, the article mentions his name 3 times. And secondly, its the whole article that mentions the influences these guys have. Abhishek Jha Nepal (talk) 04:22, 17 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I've received a reply at my request for Nepali-language help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Nepal and I'm copying it here as it appears like a keep !vote from user :
 * Checked it! The citations are good enough. Not very specific but they are the best ones you can find for an academician in Nepal. Enough to support the claim of notability. Besides as I myself have been in the education sector of Nepal for the past 15 years, I assure you that the person mentioned in the article is one of the most influential man in Nepalese education. Also it is worth mentioning that nominating the article of such an important person for deletion is inappropriate.
 * Just noting that this user created their account today. Uanfala (talk) 06:10, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. Sockpuppet investigations/Sarojupreti looks relevant, as it describes likely sockpuppetry related to the article on the school for which Jha is the principal. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:59, 16 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment. Adhering to the policies and guidelines set forth by Wikipedia, I completely deny any association with the user BaralSir or with Nepaliketo62 As a sensible user, I understand the consequences sockpuppetry has and moreover, I respect the community trust guidelines of Wikipedia. So, I request the authorities to do a research on the claim asap and clear my name of this suspicion.


 * User has mentioned a case of sockpuppetry related to a article on the school for which the subject is principal. I want to clarify to the user that the school currently has no article on Wikipedia. There is a school with the same name however it is located in a different city in Nepal. Furthermore, I respect the users experience and knowledge, however, he seems to be confused in the surname of the subject in discussion and the place where Shree Harikul Model School is located as they share the same letters - the surname being 'Jha' and the place name being 'Jhapa'.
 * I request the user BaralSir to take back his comment on the article asap as, although done with a good motive, it has complicated the case further instead of helping it. He should have known well about the consequences of his actions before inserting a comment there. As to the his comment on Wikiproject Nepal pages being his first edit, I presume it was because he claims to be an expert in Nepal related pages, so Wikiproject Nepal might have been the first thing to enter his mind. Abhishek Jha Nepal (talk) 04:22, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
 * What consequences of his actions? Sounds like a threat to me. Xxanthippe (talk) 05:11, 17 July 2016 (UTC).


 * Comment- In my capacity as a freelance journalist, I researched as much as I could about the Kathmandu District Education award. I found out that it is a proper national award provided for recognizing the best teacher in each subject in the higher secondary level in Nepal. It is provided by the government of Nepal to 8 teachers selected from all of Nepal every year. It has been named after Kathmandu because the subject in discussion is currently employed in Kathmandu district and thus the award is provided by the respective District Education Office on behalf of the Nep gov. So it seems to satisfy the second criterion of WP:NPROF quite conventionally, rather than being a "far far cry". Abhishek Jha Nepal (talk) 02:50, 20 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Note - In this discussion page, the nominator fails to mention that the subject is the Deputy Chairman/Acting Chairman of the Nepal Civil Society, the government recognized civil society of Nepal, even though it is mentioned with major importance in the article several times. Maybe the nominator hasn't got the free time to present his only in-English findings about it yet. But I can safely assume that it is notable, or is it, again, just a case of just another member in just another civil society?   Abhishek Jha Nepal (talk) 02:50, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note - has been blocked for socksuppetry. See Sockpuppet investigations/Sarojupreti. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:17, 20 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep - According to WP:NACADEMIC a person is relevant, if "The person has made substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity." Being an academic in a wider sense he has "served as Chairman and Executive Committee member in numerous associations and organization in Kathmandu," and these positions are mentioned in the article. We all agree that according to WP:SPIP "Self-promotion (and) autobiography ... are not valid routes to an encyclopedia article," but this has not been mentioned as the reason for the nomination. Thus I recommend: Keep and improve! --NearEMPTiness (talk) 16:59, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails our notability guidelines. Yes, the article claims he has held several positions outside academia, but as the nominator points out, these are difficult to verify and I don't think they amount to the subject having "substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity". Cordless Larry (talk) 07:43, 21 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment- I dont see why user Xxanthippe, user Cordless Larry & user Swister Twister's vote in any AfD discussion really matters. Because a quick look at these users' contributions in recent AfDs discussions exhibit that they have voted for a delete in every single AfD, citing the very same non-specific reasons. I suggest that you guys create a bot for this task as this will save you a lot of time copy-pasting the same thing in every AfD. Further, Swister Twister also seems to have declined every AfC request he has set his sight upon. I would offer you guys and gals a 'Rabid Dog Barnstar', only if I could. 113.199.235.25 (talk) 13:37, 22 July 2016 (UTC) — 113.199.235.25 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Nonsense. Here is a keep vote Articles for deletion/Don Mason (immunologist). The remarks come close to incivility. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:03, 22 July 2016 (UTC).
 * Holy molly! A keep vote from you? Amazing but you know the concept of averages, don't you? A keep vote for a hundred delete doesn't really affect the outcome in a positive way. And incivility? How do you girls come up with a such a fancy word? (Girl right? I remember reading that fancy name in one of Shakespeares book). Well I am unaware if it come close to incivility or not but let me tell you it certainly comes close to the truth. And as for the spa tag, given your 'experience' on WP, I had thought that you knew that IP addresses change constantly and so IP addresses cannot be labelled as single purpose. Thats why they call it a single purpose 'account' tag and not a single purpose IP tag. Namaste! 113.199.203.61 (talk) 01:42, 23 July 2016 (UTC) — 113.199.203.61 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * This would have been irrelevant if it were true, which it isn't. Thanks. Uanfala (talk) 14:08, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Buzz off son! Your opinion doesnt really matter here. And stop inserting the 'thanks' ending to every comment you make. You must have thought its charming and will help others think that you really are a good wikipedian so that they support you in your adminship bid some day and yada yada yada. But let me enlighten you - its really annoying given the fact that some people know who you actually are. 113.199.203.61 (talk) 01:42, 23 July 2016 (UTC) — 113.199.203.61 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Delete secondary school principals are almost never notable for being such, and nothing here suggests that Jha would make a reasonable exception to this rule.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:30, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * A respectable user for sure, but the same story as mentioned above (voting in every AfD for delete with the very same reasons). The best solution? -- A Nepali admin would look at the sources to verify its credibility and then use his/her ground-zero knowledge about whether this article fulfills WP:GNG, based on the Nepali standards. Because the problem with 'eminent' foreign editors here is that they expect the notability criterion and citations to be in par with the western world. They seldom realise that, in Nepal, internet's use among the general public started only in the mid 2000s. Even today, most of the places outside the major cities have no internet access. Wait a second, are there any Nepali admins on Wikipedia? Ugh this is turning out to be irritating.   113.199.161.79 (talk) 17:33, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

— 113.199.161.79 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. (saved you the trouble of putting a spa tag on me in good faith ; hope you use this time for something useful)
 * We can't have different notability criteria for different parts of the world, but there does indeed exist a systemic bias and a proposal is currently being discussed to amend the wording of the notability guidelines to make editors aware of that: see Wikipedia talk:Notability. Uanfala (talk) 19:33, 23 July 2016 (UTC)


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