Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anil Kumar Bhalla


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The Keep arguments raise some good points about evaluating the significance of an award within the overall context of what awards are offered, and for the relevance of population when evaluating national awards (should a national award from Dominica or Monaco be given the same weight as one from China or Brazil?). That said, I don't think this should be taken as a strong test case for the Padma Shri in particular as conferring notability, since this subject has at least one other national award that was also a factor for some commenters. Regardless, the overall consensus in this specific case is to keep. RL0919 (talk) 20:06, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Anil Kumar Bhalla

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Fails WP:PROF -- I am unable to find any highly cited work that shows him an influence on his field. The only claim to notability is the Padma Shri, but this is a 4th level award, and if his career is representative, is routine for people in administrative positions.

There are many other individuals in medicine in the same situation-- see. I am nominating 2 other individuals, considering this and the adjacent AfDs as test cases.  DGG ( talk ) 04:03, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  DGG ( talk ) 04:03, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:05, 26 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete: possibly soft. While I read WP:ANYBIO say suitable awards likely indicate notability it also says there is not necessarily the case for an article.  Actually article content and potential and available sources are also reasons for an article meaning and here I think I am seeing from the current sourcing is far too much reliance upon the award itself and dictionary/gazette style sources with a small bit of a research paper.  This is not to detract from the RL subject of the article.  One basic problem in my opionion is we have not enough content or context in the article.  I anyone wishing to keep should present 3 WP:RS sources per WP:THREE.  Possibly may also be WP:TOOSOON. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 23:17, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per Djm-leighpark. The Padma award by itself, especially when the recipient is an Indian, is not necessarily a sign of notability in the subject's field of interest.  It can be a sign of the subject's political connections within the government of the day.  Not enough reliable sources, esp. scholarly sources, here.   Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  03:52, 29 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep WP:India contributor here, so believe I can present more insight on the awards and subject notability. The Padma Shree is given to persons with large social contributions, which generally makes them notable for an article. There may be exceptions but this subject is not one. In addition he has also won the prestigious Dr. B. C. Roy Award (A national award), as mentioned in this source that also covers the subject in detail. So I am voting keep in lieu of these 2 awards per WP:ANYBIO as well as WP:GNG being met. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  08:19, 29 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: about the Roy Award According to our article this has been awarded to as many as 55 people in the medical field alone in a single year. (that article's ref 42)  DGG ( talk ) 18:38, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: about the Roy Award Dr. B. C. Roy Award is the highest Indian medical award and is given by the Medical Council of India, the apex body for medical education in India (see here). Numbers are often misleading as India is a country of over 1.35 billion people. A comparison with a country such as France, which has a population of 67 million, 55 awardees a year in India will translate into less than three awards a year in France.--jojo@nthony (talk) 12:41, 7 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:ANYBIO. Padma Shri is a major award by all standards. Though a fourth level civilian honour in India, you may safely ignore the first award, Bharat Ratna, which is awarded very sparingly, only 48 awardees since 1954. Padma Shri is a recognition of major contributions in the fields of Arts, Civil Service, Literature & Education, Medicine, Public Affairs, Science & Engineering, Social Work, Sports and Trade & Industry. The total number of recipients in the 65 years of its existence is only 1840.--jojo@nthony (talk) 14:11, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment: As in all these test cases can I ask for experienced closers/relisters only please and comments to be left in either case. thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 06:46, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:35, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep Padma Shri is major award and sufficient for notability. It alone is sufficient to pass our GNG. — Harshil want to talk? 12:03, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * A speedy keep is not possible after prior delete vote. The concept that a Padma Shri is by itself sufficient for notability fell at the precedent  Articles for deletion/P. B. Buckshey.  Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:32, 7 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment The equivalent honour in England is the OBE. This has been repeatedly held not to indicate notability . FWIW, in earlier years I several times argued that it ought to be, but the consensus was always against me, and once that had been established, I followed the consensus.  DGG ( talk ) 19:54, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. A low grade honor is not sufficient for notability. Xxanthippe (talk) 08:59, 8 December 2019 (UTC).
 * Comment I fail to see how Articles for deletion/P. B. Buckshey establishes consensus that a Padma Shri award is not enough by itself to give presumed notability. Indeed, I find it hard to see why that AfD was closed as Delete with no relists. There were 3 Keep !votes on the basis that a Padma Shri award gives notability, 2 Delete !votes (including the nominator) who argued that it doesn't, and 3 Delete !votes that don't address the Padma Shri. That is not enough to hold up as a consensus-establishing precedent. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:27, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment again Also, it is not strictly true to say that it is the equivalent of an OBE. That is the fourth class of the Order of the British Empire. However, there are higher awards than the highest class of the Order of the British Empire: leaving out Dukes and Earls, which are only created for or bestowed on members of the royal family now, there are Barons/Baronesses, Knights of the Garter and Knights of the Thistle, and Baronets, all higher in precedence than the highest class of the Order of the British Empire, so the OBE comes in about 7th. The Padma Shri is stated to be the 4th highest level of civilian award, not just the fourth highest of a particular order. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:52, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep And, as far as numbers go, a total of 2840 Padma Shri awards have been made in its 65 year history. Going on the 2019 Queens Birthday Honours List (and remembering that there is also the New Year's Honours List), over 500 OBEs are awarded each year, and over 250 CBEs. The Padma Shri is much more exclusive, especially considering the respective populations of the UK and India. I would certainly argue that all recipients would meet WP:ANYBIO. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:16, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep agree per RebeccaGreen and this subject clearly meet WP:ANYBIO. Padma Shri is a fourth level civilian award, a country of over 1.35 billion people. I don't really understand why some editor ignore this award? This is obviously WP:IDONTLIKE. DGG what is your problem? You know nothing about of India. btw I'm from Myanmar. 103.200.134.150 (talk) 15:32, 9 December 2019 (UTC)


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