Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Animal Chin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. The problem is that people believe there ought to be sources to improve the article, but have had difficulty locating them. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  15:47, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Animal Chin

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Fails WP:NBAND. Hard to find any reliable sources online. &thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 00:40, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The arguments for keeping do not carry much weight, see WP:MUSTBESOURCES.
 * Author Keep Meets WP:MUSIC with multiple releases on Fueled by Ramen, one of pop punk's most noteworthy (formerly) indie labels. Since the group was releasing albums in the 1990s, it's not surprising that there aren't a ton of reviews online, but I'm sure browsing back issues of the likes of Alternative Press, Maximum Rocknroll, and Punk Planet would turn up more. Chubbles (talk) 13:56, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've also found it very difficult to find sources, but they do meet point 5 of WP:BAND and I agree that there are likely to be offline sources. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 21:39, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –&#8239;Joe (talk) 17:26, 19 August 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment I'll note that the AMG source substantiates the notability claim of the Fueled By Ramen releases; there's no verifiability issue there, and that's all that's needed to meet WP:MUSIC. Additional sources would be nice to dig up, bit strictly speaking wouldn't be necessary. Chubbles (talk) 04:10, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I haven't been able to find any significant sources apart from one entry in AllMusic. A short bio in AllMusic is not enough to establish notability. Search for the albums of the band also reveals a lack of sources, those articles may need to be deleted as well. Hzh (talk) 13:39, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 02:15, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't agree that Fueled by Ramen qualifies as a major label, given its obscurity pre-Fall Out Boy. I am not seeing sufficient WP:RS coverage otherwise. Teemu08 (talk) 01:14, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure it's all that helpful to divide FBR's tenure as a label in this way, but even if we did, it's worth noting that before releasing From Under the Cork Tree, the album that launched FBR into the stratosphere, the label put out CDs by Less Than Jake (of course, since the group founded the label), Jimmy Eat World, Punchline, and Gym Class Heroes, among others. Chubbles (talk) 03:41, 4 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep as passes WP:NBAND with releases on a major label, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 19:03, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * It should be noted that Fueled by Ramen wasn't with Warner at that time, therefore the band's albums were indie label releases. The wording in the guideline in any case is that it (rather than it is notable) if it meets one of the criteria. The lack of sources make it difficult to argue that it qualifies per WP:GNG. Someone with access to magazine archives can try to find sources for the band, otherwise I don't think it can be considered notable. Hzh (talk) 00:13, 4 September 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.