Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Animecon (Finland)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep thanks to the work of Kizor. Fram 15:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Animecon (Finland)

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I reluctantly bring this Finish anime convention up for AfD, but other then one article which only briefly mentions the convention, I have been unable to track down additional reliable secondary sources that would allow the article to meet to notability criteria at WP:N or WP:ORG. The article has been tagged as having a notability problem since January 2007. --Farix (Talk) 18:15, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment It would help if we had some information on just how big this convention is. It says "biggest in Finland", but that on its own means nothing. I for one have no idea how popular anime is in Finland. If the convention only attracts 10 visitors a year, then I'd say delete, but if its say 500 or more, than a keep and expand would be more appropriate. Tx17777 18:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Its because of that claim that keeps this article being an A7 speedy deletion. The problem is, beyond the brief mention in the article I linked to above, there are no other reliable secondary sources to build an encyclopedic article from, much else establish its notability per WP:N and WP:ORG. --Farix (Talk) 18:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It attracts several thousand visitors. --Kizor 09:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

*Please do not delete the content, yet, but merge with Finncon. Read the article. It is part of the larger Con, and while notable by itself, is part of a 9,000-person con, one of the largest in the world. I'll be bold and copy the relevant material to the other page. Then go ahead and delete to your hearts' non-content. ;-) Bearian 19:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails WP:ORG and WP:RS. No good sources have been found. Ten Pound Hammer  • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps•Review?) 18:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Question Anybody here involved in Anime in Finland, or even Europe at all? If so, they might be able to find more sources.  I know I wouldn't have any idea where to look.  I'm sure this isn't a Dragoncon or Comicon, but it might be something.  Have they had any major guests?  FrozenPurpleCube 23:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete unless the sources attesting the notability are found Corpx 06:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * O.K., folks, delete it if you wish. I've merged them, so the content is now redundent. Bearian 19:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per improvements by Kizor to fulfill the Heymann standard. Bearian 15:56, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep. As apparently the only one here who speaks Finnish and is thus able to read the great majority of available information and sources, I believe my word should count for (is chased off the public computer at the library where he was searching for magazines on the subject (all checked out), will continue at home. sigh.) --Kizor 15:00, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Finncon as already merged by User:Bearian. J I P  | Talk 08:20, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Vote changed to keep per User:Kizor's rewrite. J I P  | Talk 12:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. Well, I rewrote the article, bringing into it the breadth and depth of most convention articles. I finally succeeded in tracking down the relevant issues of Anime magazine and integrated them as printed sources. This changes the issue completely - the discussion was never about whether we should have an article on this topic, but whether its then-current form was acceptable, and it hinged on a lack of improvements. We should now reconsider, rather than base the decision on circumstances that no longer apply. Now, as for merging, Animecon and Finncon are very much separate. Apparently Bearian, who can't read Finnish, got the idea that they're one from the one link in the nomination? A reasonable conclusion in the circumstances, but wrong. The two share premises but few subjects and no events, not even opening ceremonies, and each gets a large segement of non-overlapping visitors. They're organized by separate groups, comparable in size and referred to as two separate conventions, including by the press and the leading Finnish news agency. (I checked. I could get a cite but that would get even more excessive than this paragraph.) --Kizor 16:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
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