Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anis Jouini


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirected to Myrath. Even though the consensus is probably to delete, a redirect has already been implemented and there is no opposition to it in the delete comments. (non-admin closure) ansh 666 23:57, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Anis Jouini

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PROD removed by page's creator. His band is notable but the subject seems to lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Meatsgains (talk) 01:57, 12 July 2016 (UTC) There are numerous Wiki pages for far less known musicians than Anis Jouini I need to understand the sources required to prove his credibility as a known musician, I updated the references — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evadowdinternational (talk • contribs) 04:46, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - The page's current references are to primary sources. Simply being in a well-known band does not make a musician inherently notable. Meatsgains (talk) 02:02, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

I have updated the references in correct format and sited sources and will continue to add more, please advise if this prevents the page from deletion evadowdinternational  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evadowdinternational (talk • contribs) 16:00, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 19:00, 14 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment, the creator and major contributor to this article, Evadowdinternational, may be involved with Eva Dowd Productions International that has Jouini as an exclusive artist, see here - "Anis Jouini", i have left coi messages on their talkpage. Coolabahapple (talk) 19:30, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Good find, thanks. Meatsgains (talk) 19:36, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I do donate my time to helping artists around the globe and have never made any money and have won awards for my efforts, I was unaware that you had to be a total  stranger to create page, this was done to bring attention to an artist that I felt deserved recognition like  his other band members that  have pages in French, I don't even know how to proceed from here. If the page needs to be deleted just tell me how, there was nothing malicious in my intent.  I changed my name as suggested because I am not a business. talk  —Preceding undated comment added 21:37, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete/redirect to Myrath. First, a disclaimer: I was asked to come take a look at this AfD by Coolabahapple. Now that that's out of the way, I can't really see anything to show that Jouini is independently notable outside of Myrath. It's actually fairly difficult to establish notability for performers outside of their band, as you have to show where there's coverage that focuses specifically on the performer - in other words, a news article (for example) that goes into depth about Jouini and isn't just something that mentions him in relation to the band. Even then the article would be expected to focus on Jouini, not just on his time with the band. I don't really see where this exists at this point in time. It's possible that he might achieve independent notability in the future, but he just doesn't pass notability guidelines at this point in time. He might never pass - it's actually more common for someone to not be independently notable. For example, not all of the Cradle of Filth members are independently notable, despite the band being extremely popular. There might be other performers in the group with articles and it might even seem like there are other people who are less notable that have articles, however the existence of other articles doesn't mean that every performer merits an article. (WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS) It might be that the other people pass notability guidelines on other criteria or it could just mean that these other performers don't pass notability guidelines and just haven't been found and deleted yet. As far as COI stuff goes, I'll post a message on Tuscany's (formerly Evadowdinternational) talk page about that. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:46, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Update I have added solo Awards and article mentioning Anis Jouini on his own merits as a bass player and put a notice on my talk page with my role helping bands, not sure if this changes the notability but I did want to post an update. Tuscanyatnght (talk) 09:56, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as still nothing suggesting independent notability. SwisterTwister   talk  04:51, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Update Added session work and link to session work videos with known Wiki artists.Tuscanyatnght (talk) 18:22, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - That's simply still not enough. SwisterTwister   talk  18:55, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 18:15, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Apart from being off the charts COI (article even has subject talking about themselves in the first person) and being very poorly written, as many others have said, subject is not independently notable. Any useful, referenced and encyclopaedic info worthy of inclusion can be Myrath'd and this article deleted. Rayman60 (talk) 23:18, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - What's the purpose of this AfD since the article in question has already been redirected to Myrath?-- Isaidnoway (talk)  21:56, 24 July 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.