Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anita Kelsey - Cat Behaviourist


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The result was delete--Ymblanter (talk) 08:32, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Anita Kelsey - Cat Behaviourist

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No indication that the subject meets the notability guidelines for inclusion. All material related to her is self-generated or non-reliable (social media, etc). § FreeRangeFrog croak 00:52, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete None of the references in the article are independent. I was unable to find any significant coverage in independent, reliable sources.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  03:27, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. I couldn't find anything either. It doesn't help that the page is borderline promotional. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   09:34, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. no independant sources to establish notability.TheLongTone (talk) 17:22, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. If this could be sourced it could be merged with Anita Kelsey, which itself is somewhat questionable--she's worked with notable artists but it looks like primarily in a backup-singer capacity. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  17:44, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. It should be merged with Anita Kelsey, She has worked with notable artists and, if you do some research, most of her work has been as a lead vocalist and not a backing singer. Her lead vocals were also on Dark City  — Preceding Wikipedia:Signatures [[User:Buickmaria comment added by Buickmaria (talk • contribs) 19:30, 12 February 2014 (UTC) --Buickmaria (talk) 19:54, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment We appreciate your comment, but there is nothing to merge here. They are two different people. I think (judging by the comment you left on my talk page) that you're under the impression that Anita Kelsey the artist is up for deletion here, but I assure you it is not. This discussion does not affect that bio in any way. § FreeRangeFrog croak 21:46, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Now I'm getting confused. What makes you think they are different people? Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  01:15, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I see that the link in the page goes to the singer's page, but we should find something to back up that they're the same person. I don't immediately see anything on the singer's website that shows that she's currently a cat behaviorist. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   01:30, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm actually seriously doubting whether the singer and the cat behaviorist are the same people, since the singer's website doesn't mention the cat profession at all and the about pages for the cat lady don't mention her singing at all. The complete absence of a mention of either profession on either page is a little suspect, as you'd imagine that the cat Anita would mention that she did her studying while performing on stage, given the amount of detail she goes into on her "about me" page. We can't automatically assume that they're the same person because they share the same name and location. They do have a similarity, but we can't entirely go by their similarities or differences visually because the singer's photo seems to have had some photoshopping and makeup effects done. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   01:35, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * This could very well be two different people, as the discog page for the singer Anita has her active as of 2011 and mentions that she is still currently active as a singer. There seems to have been a re-recording or something of one of her songs in 2013, so again- I'm a little leery that the singing Anita doesn't mention a cat business and the cat Anita doesn't mention a singing career. Given the amount of detail on either page, I'd think that there would be a link or a small mention or something to that effect. It could be that she's trying to keep the two worlds separate completely, but you'd think that there would be at least some mention of it somewhere in the cat Anita's website, blog, etc. I think that right now we should treat them as two separate people unless we can show some sort of evidence that they are the same person- after all, it's entirely possible that the person who created the article mistook them for the same person. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   01:46, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I assumed that the mention of the singer in the behaviorist's article was a ploy. I'm just not seeing how they would be the same person. Not even remotely. If I'm wrong then I suppose we can add a blurb to the singer's bio. But again, a successful and apparently still active singer suddenly becoming a kitty shrink? Not sure I buy that. This isn't the bio of a former artist. In any case, why not just add that to the singer bio in the first place? And from a merge perspective, we can't add a blurb to the artist bio about the cat thing without verifying that she is indeed running a cat clinic. I sure wasn't able to source that at all. § FreeRangeFrog croak 01:55, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * That's why I'm sort of leaning towards them being two different people that just happen to have some remarkable similarities. I wouldn't be surprised if they are the same person, but I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't either. Until we have firm confirmation that they're the same person, we should treat them as separate individuals. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   02:59, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment: OK, I might have found some confirmation. In her official profile on CFBA the cat Anita has a black and white photograph of herself when she was younger (right side column). Now on the singer's website we have the same photograph. Of course this isn't her saying that she is a cat behaviorist or a singer on either site, but we do have something to work with now. Until we have some sort of written confirmation rather than just the one photograph, we should still treat the two as separate individuals. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   03:07, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
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 * Comment: Someone could email the singers management perhaps to verify. Whose up for asking them if she's a kitty shrink now LOL?Buickmaria (talk) 10:53, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do. It's not unheard of for entertainment people to take on jobs in other fields, but normally they leave some sort of mention or trail somewhere. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   11:31, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment: I contacted Anita Kelsey and yes, they are the same person. However she specifically requested that the cat information not be merged into the page for her as a singer, as she wants to keep those two careers specifically separate. So in other words, the lack of a mention on either page of the other career was deliberate. I think that this is a reasonable request, as technically we'd have to have coverage of her career as a cat behaviorist to really post about it on her main page as a whole. Since we don't have that, we could somewhat justify not merging the data into the main page. In any case, my vote is to delete the cat behaviorist page and not merge anything. I think it's reasonable to respect Kelsey's wishes on the matter. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   04:15, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Excellent job! Obviously I was wrong then, but I guess if she doesn't want this article then deletion is the best outcome. § FreeRangeFrog croak 20:12, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Good research there, and I agree we shouldn't merge anything, though I'd say this should be due to lack of reliable sources rather than by request. Plenty of celebrities have second careers, and it would be just bizarre for Wikipedia to treat them as wholle seperate persons.  For example, if Miley Cyrus or her manager wanted us to pretend her acting career and her singing career were two seperate people, we couldn't possibly honour that request. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  20:23, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - Promotional in intent. Fails GNG. Carrite (talk) 06:22, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as It's more like an advert than an article, & It fails GNG. →Davey 2010→  →Talk to me!→  13:00, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
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