Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anita Short Metz Grossman


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The result was no consensus. Bishonen &#124; talk 20:24, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Anita Short Metz Grossman

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Not notable per WP:GNG. It seems she is best known for her role in music, but does not meet criteria for WP:MUSICBIO. –CaroleHenson (talk) 02:57, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep She was mentioned by name during the House Unamerican Activities Committee hearings. Ref added. I see many notable activities in the text, and saw several mentions in Google Books under "Anita MetZ Grossman". meets basic WP:GNG.198.58.162.200 (talk) 01:01, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notability clearly established and WP:GNG clearly met. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 02:10, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. per others. Article needs work and cleanup, but notability met.   Montanabw (talk) 02:46, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment She was mentioned by name in the Hearings text mentioned above, but her name appears in only two places in that text: the index on page 890, and as part of a question on page 864 towards the bottom of the page. The relevant section on page 864 consists of Mr. Arens asking Mr. Saidenberg, "Do you know a person by the name of Anita Short Metz?", and after conferring with his counsel, Mr. Saidenberg said "No." Clearly the index mention does not establish notability and I think that the question mention, by itself, does not help to establish notability either. Ca2james (talk) 04:35, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Question - I am totally fine with her being considered "notable", but aside from the mention of the House Unamerican Activities Committee hearings, which seems to be a non-issue, I am not hearing a reason why she is considered notable. What in her career makes her notable?–CaroleHenson (talk) 13:52, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I see you removed that citation, and I have restored it. It's part of her story. The other refs tend to establish notability.198.58.162.200 (talk) 16:39, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Per the comment above, " "Do you know a person by the name of Anita Short Metz?", and after conferring with his counsel, Mr. Saidenberg said "No." Clearly the index mention does not establish notability and I think that the question mention, by itself, does not help to establish notability either." - this is not encyclopedic content and does not establish notability. For now, I won't remove the citation.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:04, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * DeleteThe HUAC mentioned a large number of people, many of whom were not notable. I really don't see anything in her career that had national scope or had a significant impact on the arts. Rogermx (talk) 21:56, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm stunned by the "keep" votes. What am I missing? All I am seeing are references that are apparently local press mentions over a lifetime, many of them trivial, and a book that she self-published. This appears to be mostly original research by a SPA author. Surprised, too, editors are arguing "keep" based on being mentioned in a HUAC report. Is merely the accusation of being a communist a "notable" achievement? Anyway, I only came here because of the BANDS AND MUSICIANS criteria, which the subject clearly does not meet. ShelbyMarion (talk) 11:46, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:55, 31 March 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 02:34, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
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