Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ann Walker (died 1854)


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The result was merge to Anne Lister.  Sandstein  13:00, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Ann Walker (died 1854)

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Article on a well-off 17th century woman who was Anne Lister's lover and companion. Deprodded by the article creator a) because it has been added to a Wikiproject and b) because she was mentioned in Lister's memoirs. But therein lies the problem a) is simply a ridiculous rationale, as I've explained to the editor elsewhere and b) notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Walker doesn't merit an article independent of the Lister, from what I can see in reviewing Gbooks results. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:49, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:50, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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 * I contest the deletion given the article has been already included in the BIO project, and moreover it met the Notability (people) criteria given that Ann Walker has a primary role in Anne Lister's diaries, which are the basis for LGBT History in the XIX century (People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.)--Elisa.rolle (talk) 12:57, 16 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I am not at all unsympathetic to the LGBT history argument and I do agree that, if deleted, a categorized redirect should be left behind to help readers find information about her. As for your argument that it "has been already included in the BIO project" -- are you again referring to the fact that an editor has added Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography to the article talk page? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:02, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment I am leaning delete. Are there any better sources about this woman?  The only source listed is a blog that appears to be itself sourced directly from a primary-source diary.  This seems a case where WP:NOTINHERITED applies. - GretLomborg (talk) 05:36, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge to Anne Lister. Per WP:NOTINHERITED Coverage is all in the context of Lister, and most of this article is about Walker's relationship with Lister. There's no reason why she can't be covered in that article, and anybody coming across this article without knowledge of Lister is going to have to read Lister's article to make any sense of it or understand why it has been created, which for me is good grounds for merging. --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:40, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - there are actually a ton of sources on google books about her relationship with Lister, consider, https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q="Ann+Walker"+"Lister" . Also, https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q="Ann+Walker"+"crow+nest" gives a couple interesting sources from the mid- and late-1800s about her death and the ensuing inheritance of Cliff Hall/Crow Nest Estates, but these are more or less passing references. Certainly, however, her story has played an important role in a significant branch of history and sociology, which sort of passes WP:BIO #2. Smmurphy(Talk) 16:20, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge to Anne Lister per nom and Colapeninsula: WP:NOTINHERITED.
 * I've been reviewing more of this editor's work, and found several similar articles that should be merged per WP:NOTINHERITED issues, as well as few copyvios. I haven't gotten nearly all the way though, so others might want to take a look. - GretLomborg (talk) 05:46, 18 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect. I am finding sources, but all of them are about her relationship to Lister so far. I added a few sources so when the merge happens, there are citations. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:53, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


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