Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anna-Lynne Williams


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The result was no consensus. North America1000 01:37, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Anna-Lynne Williams

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Non-notable musician. Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. No reliable sources that are independent of the topic and significant are found. — Za  wl  10:25, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Seems self-promotional with no indication of notability. Citations are to track listing websites from 2013 but no peer review or media coverage or any mentions in the intervening years in any independent publications. Darthamender (talk) 11:29, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - I do not find the tone of the article self-promotional, and there's no indication that it violates NPOV. Therefore, if not for the Notability criteria, it should stay. I am personally against the notability criteria, but since it still stands as a policy, it needs to be applied unfortunately.Taraella (talk) 11:38, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - Not in tone, merely in content. No sources are provided to verify any claims that she has written poetry, or starred in a film or released an album. She may have done, of course, but without citations or reliable sources to confirm this one has to presume no-on but her knows about it. If someone else *does* know about it they should add a citation to let us know where they found it out and thereby help establish notability. Darthamender (talk) 12:12, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep The musician clearly is notable, as evidenced by the amount of news from reliable publications that comes up when you search the name on Google News. The article's tone seems fine, and aside from an editor with the name of her record label – presumably an intern – recently updating the article with content about her latest album, there is doubtful any self-promotion here. Article would be better served with some citation needed tags, not deletion. Homeostasis07 (talk) 17:08, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * could you provide here links to some of those "news from reliable publications"? — Za  wl  17:58, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * PopMatters streaming her latest album; Blabbermouth.net article about her collaboration with Fates Warning; Dallas Observer article about her side-project; and those are just the reliable sources from the first page. Homeostasis07 (talk) 18:15, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete to Weak Delete The musician may be notable but the sources used to prove that are not strong ones. Possibly others might exist? I'm concerned because the music she is responsible for creating and the band that she is best known for Tresspassers William (awesome name BTW) is only marginally notable itself. Would be happy to change my vote if better citations are found to support Anna-Lynne Williams.Sgerbic (talk) 20:15, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * And what in your opinion are "strong" sources? The ones posted above are reliable sources. The whole issue of establishing "Anna-Lynne William"'s notability appears to be a lot trickier than I had first anticipated. It's her real name, but she has released all of her solo material under the name "Lotte Kestner". It may be more appropriate to rename this page Lotte Kestner, and just have the article point out that her real name is Anna-Lynne Williams, because it would be a hell of a lot easier to find sources for Lotte Kestner than Anna-Lynne Williams. Homeostasis07 (talk) 21:43, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Just about enough coverage to establish notability:, , , , plus some coverage in Les Inrocks and De:bug that shows up in Google Books but with the content hidden. --Michig (talk) 19:42, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Anoptimistix   "Message Me"  03:50, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep per Michig. Jclemens (talk) 05:38, 7 September 2017 (UTC)


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