Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AnnaMaria Cardinalli


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep - the changes have addressed the deletion concerns, as all subsequent commenters/comments agree. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 23:25, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

AnnaMaria Cardinalli

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Self promotional article. A good number of the references do not mention article subject. The only item that may be notable is the award; however, there is no indication of its importance. She is quoted in a couple of articles, but I do not see significant articles about her. Appears to fail WP:BIO. red dog six (talk) 03:40, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment


 * Hello Reddogsix,


 * I hope this is the correct place to respond to your objections and enter into the discussion.
 * I am confused at your statements that the references do not relate to Cardinalli or demonstrate importance. Cardinalli's work has been covered in major pieces of national and international media by pullitzer-prize winning journalists in highly respected outlets.


 * Is your objection that the articles speak more about the relevance of her work than her name?


 * I also don't understand the importance you seem to place on the award. It is among the least notable of the national accomplishments mentioned.


 * Perhaps your objections are that the articles feature Cardinalli's work accomplishments, rather than details about her personally. It is precisely these academic, military, and professional contributions that are of relevance to the biography, not the number of times the article repeats her name or quotes her words directly.  Each article, however, does make refernece to the fact that the work is hers, or uses recognizable quotations from her article, even when they simply call her something as anonomous as a researcher.


 * The Wikipedia guidelines for notability are as follows:


 * - A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Notability criteria may need to be met for a person to be included in a stand alone list article.


 * - All biographies of living individuals must comply with the policy on biographies of living individuals, being supported by sufficient reliable independent sources to ensure neutrality.


 * The article on AnnaMaria cardinalli meets each of these criteria. "Significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject" include the referenced articles in the San Francisco Chronicle, the Washington Examiner, the London Times, and Fox News.  A numner of other smaller but well-referenced articles support these points.


 * The article fully comples with Wikipedias policy on biographies of living individuals, particularly in tht it is supported by sufficient reliable independent sources (described above) as to ensure neutrality. The issue of neutrality is particularly important when you mention the article is "self-promotional."  (I suppose you mean Cardinalli-promotional.)  While Cardinalli has undeniably interesting accomplishments that are factually listed, I am careful to constantly include the issues of contention and contraversy that has surrounded her work.  This results in a very careful balance.)


 * I am happy to comply with revisions you see necessary, but I ask sincerely that you keep this article in Wikipedia. It offers a story of incredibly relevant impact, and I am sure it is one of the most well-substantiated biographies you generally encounted.


 * Sincerely,


 * "Curious" George Greenrow — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgegreenrow (talk • contribs) 04:47, 20 November 2011 (UTC)  — Georgegreenrow (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep: I've cleaned the article up substantially. She seems to have coverage in some reliable sources, including The Washington Examiner and San Francisco Chronicle reports on her work, St Mary's "Women of Influence", which describes her as the youngest woman to graduate from their school, as well as the Mother Teresa Award, and appearing with Kanye West in a fairly popular album. I believe each of those should either qualify as significant independent coverage to satisfy the GNG, or to presume notability.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 06:36, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep thanks to Mann_jess' excellent work. Alessandra Napolitano (talk) 07:38, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Jess, thank you so much for the fantastic edits! I am new to this, and I tend to get "wordy" when I get into my research.  You've made it so much more readable, and I appreciate you recognizing the public notability of the subject as per Wikipedia guidelines.  Alessandra, thank you for your support of keeping this article in!  You have all made me feel very welcomed to the community, and I appereciate it sincerely.


 * I do not know, but does Jess' new work on the article and Alessandra's concensus now remove the deletion death-sentence? How does the article actually come off the chopping block?Many thanks again for the help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgegreenrow (talk • contribs)


 * Comment - Hi George, glad to have been able to help out :) Typically, the way the AfD process works, the discussion will stay open for 7 days, and then an admin will come by and close it. However, based on the sources we have now, the article seems to be safe from deletion, so I'd just wait it out and focus on other areas for the time being. More sources are always helpful if you know of any, but the article seems to be in good shape for the time being. I'm surprised this article wasn't created before; that was a great catch, George! Good work!  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 18:07, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - Thanks so much Jess!!! I am actually excited--especially to have found a subject worth covering!  I follow a lot of blogs, and I heard about this several times, so I thought I had a shot.  I'll go and work on other things now, but I really appreciate your kind works and your guidance on my first article! - George Georgegreenrow (talk) 18:55, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:59, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:59, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - I have added some more citations, with names, quotations and all: there are plenty of major publications in both the USA and Britain including The Daily Telegraph and The San Francisco Chronicle. I'm astonished this came to AfD as the sources are rock solid, and Cardinalli is more than WP:Notable - notorious would be a better word. She's also an extraordinary character - a classical guitarist of great skill, a university prof, a private investigator, a security company director, a federal employee ... not to mention author of a scholarly, careful, and explosive report for NATO. You won't find a better subject for an encyclopedia article, I think. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:53, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - Hello Chiswick - Thanks so much!!! Your edits are ideal, and I truly appreciate the help from you and the community in making this "right!"  I love what you said about Cardinalli above... I couldn't seem to capture it in words the way you did.  I wish you could put THAT in the article!


 * I actually had much more of this "feel" in my very first posting of this article, but it ended up being far too wordy and was deleted. Do you think you or I should work a bit more of it back in?  I think her public perception is quite relevant.  I for one am a bit fascinated, and I think other readers may be as well.


 * Also I am hoping to link to the Wikipedia article on Bacha Bazi that mentions Cardinalli's involvement with the DoD. Can anyone help with this?Georgegreenrow (talk) 22:33, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Done that. Also added imagebox of 'AnnaMaria' playing Spanish guitar on CD. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:32, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.