Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anna Chatziathanassiou


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 02:26, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Anna Chatziathanassiou

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Fails WP:Notability. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:05, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak Keep - She obviously has competed at the highest level of figure skating. Flawed nom by the way with no explanation for the nom.--BabbaQ (talk) 06:47, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep this biography suffers from systematic bias. Trying to find English sources for an accomplished Greek athlete is very difficult. I choose to rely on this source, which became available via Greek Wikipedia . It seems she has won several National Championships as a Novice, Junior and Senior. It appears, in her field, she was the Greek representative in three European Championships and four World Championships. She has participated in a number of other international competitions. If anyone is interested in her biography on Greek Wikipedia, here is the url: Χατζηαθανασίου. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 05:25, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete there is no available evidence that she passes WP:NSKATE; greek champion does not help (some years there is not a champion at all), did not skate a long program at the european championships, and never advanced past the preliminary round in the worlds. As for the assertion that greek wikipedia has more information, it may, but contains no more useful sources that establish a case for WP:GNG.18abruce (talk) 22:29, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:30, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete The one source is not enough to pass GNG, and we have sports-specific criteria because name dropping in sports articles is so common that we need something higher than GNG for reasonable article maitenance. Her actual accomplishments fall far below the relevant sports guidelines.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with that she does not pass WP:NSKATE, though she does come close. It, plus the companion WP:WikiProject Figure Skating/Notability, list very specific criteria for passage: compete at the Olympics (no); compete in at least the short program the ISU World Championships (did not qualify for the short program in her 2 appearances: 1998, 1999&mdash;if she competed two other times I could not find them); compete in the free skate at world junior, European, or four continent championships (did not qualify for the short program in her 2 European championship appearances: 1999, 2001&mdash;I could not find a third appearance); win the country's senior championship, unless the country does not regularly send multiple skaters to the Olympics (no Greek skater has competed at the Olympics to date); compete at a Grand Prix event (no); medal at a non-Grand Prix international event (best finish was 19th at Piruetten in 1998); or win a Junior Grand Prix event (no). Serving as an ISU judge unfortunately does not qualify her for NSKATE as a non-skater. So the relevant question is whether she passes WP:GNG. All I could find for references online using the WP:BEFORE links (other than Wikipedia mirrors) was routine mentions of her participating in various competitions as a skater or a judge. By the way, the above Greek-Wikipedia link just took me to a disambiguation page for Anna (name). I was able to find the correct link here: el:Άννα Χατζηαθανασίου. That translates to "Anna Hadjiathanassiou" per Google, so I tried that in WP:BEFORE as well and got basically nothing. I also tried her Greek name and got essentially the same result; it wasn't that I couldn't read any of the references, it was that almost none were coming up at all. Unfortunately I just don't think sufficient coverage exists for her.   C Thomas3   (talk) 03:39, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the link. I see what you mean that it goes to a disambiguation page. This, somehow, seems to be the correct link: - I didn't think it would work, but it does. I doubt this will be helpful for sources. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 06:08, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. It seems you found the correct link. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 06:09, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * No worries at all, and thank you,, for the correct link. I didn't understand how it was broken at first, but I just searched on the name you provided and that worked just fine. As I look now it appears you were just missing an underscore between the first and last name.  C Thomas3   (talk) 17:01, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Has competed at the highest level of her sport. Smartyllama (talk) 17:44, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment this comment by Smartyllama is false. She has not competed at the Worlds or the Olympics, which are the pinnacle events of the sport. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:01, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * She did compete at the worlds, but only in the prelim stage, which WP:NSKATE indicates is not sufficient. By current standards (no preiim round) she would not have achieved the minimum standards to compete in the worlds.  This has been discussed at the relevant project page and is clearly discussed earlier in this AFD so I do not understand not qualifying the Keep vote here.  As Cthomas3 indicates GNG is the relevant question, maybe there is more coverage of her story competing for greece, but I doubt it when the Greek wikipedia does not have anything substantial to offer.18abruce (talk) 15:57, 21 October 2017 (UTC)


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