Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anne Frank's cats (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Other stuff exists is not a valid rationale. This is a very trivial and non-notable aspect of the book, and only one of the cats (as so noted) is actually owned by Anne Frank. seicer &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  14:15, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Anne Frank's cats
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It boggles my mind that this survived a previous Afd. Anne Frank had cats, but they don't inherit her notability. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:32, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete notability is not inherited and even in within her diary itself the cats are rather minor. - Icewedge (talk) 05:40, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete  Only one of these is actually Anne Frank's own cat, and that's already mentioned in Anne Frank.  Not notable except by association with her, so they don't merit a separate article.   Ka renjc 12:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete --Ezzex (talk) 12:37, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unnecessarily detailed treatment of a very minor element of the book. Nsk92 (talk) 12:39, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable --Church of emacs (Talk | Stalk) 13:43, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Interesting subject even if the only notability is the association with Anne Frank. The article should be expanded a bit, perhaps with how naming the cat Mouschi actually just meant "kitty" or "pussy" in their language.  At worst I see a merge with the original Anne Frank article as it is still informative and about a notable subject (Anne Frank, and her cats). --Banime (talk) 15:17, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment If Wikipedia has an article on Hitler's dog, what is wrong with one on Anne Frank's cats? Why are pet articles not in general merged to the notable owner's article, when the pet would have zero notability without the owner being notable, even if there are sources mentioning the pet because of who owned it? Edison (talk) 16:02, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately that looks like you are bringing up Other_stuff_exists which is not any sort of valid defense for keeping the article. I do agree however that the article is useful and informative. --Banime (talk) 16:39, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As with other topics of this nature, one has to look at the amount and depth of secondary source coverage. I think that even for Blondi, Hitler's dog, the notability case appears weak, but it is stronger there than here. Blondi was in fact extensively used for propaganda purposes in Nazi Germany to portray Hitler as an animal lover. There is also more, and more in-depth coverage of Blondi in post-war sources, such as a section about Blondi in "Dog Years", a novel of Günter Grass. There does not appear to be a similar degree of coverage in relation to Anne Frank's cats. They are mentioned primarily in her diary (a primary source), and, mostly in passing and episodically, in a few other places. IMO there is not enough here to justify a separate article. Nsk92 (talk) 17:09, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per Nsk92. As much as I like Anne Frank's diary, WP:fancruft applies here as well. VG &#x260E; 01:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


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