Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anne Selene Fiko


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 10:32, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Anne Selene Fiko

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Part of a campaign of self-promotion, where machine translated articles have been created in no, sv, da, and en.wikipedia.

The subject does not meet any criteria in Notability (people). There are a couple of self-published sources, but there is no significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Much of the article is clearly incorrect or a hoax – the Royal Palace in Oslo is supposed to be her permanent residence, she is supposed to have received a “silver medal of honor given by former President of Austria Rudolf Kirchschläger during a state visit”, etc. Kjetil_r 12:05, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. I found absolutely nothing out there that would back up any of the claims in the article. The only sources that seem to mention Fiko at all are all primary sources released by Fiko or her publisher. To be honest, the sources on the article are a joke and I encourage whomever added it to Wikipedia to read WP:BIO, and WP:AUTHOR to see what is required to establish notability and WP:RS to see what is considered to be a reliable source. (Facebook is never usable as a source, not even to back up anything trivial.) No matter how notable you believe the person is, you will always, always, always need reliable sources to back this up- especially if it is about something or someone from another country. As far as to the claims on the talk page that this is all a conspiracy against small publishers or specific people, no. No it isn't. These are the "set in stone" rules that Wikipedia requires in order to show notability. The only reason you see fewer books and authors from small publishers is because they simply lack the reliable sources to show notability. Reliable sources are sources from places that Wikipedia considers trustworthy that talk about the subject, are not primary sources, and do more than briefly mention or discuss the article subject. In this case we had several sources that mentioned the company that Fiko supposedly is a part of, but doesn't actually mention her. Now as far as conspiracies go, many times you'll get editors who edit on multiple Wikipedias because they have the language skills to be able to do so. Many times they'll notice an article that doesn't pass notability guidelines and make the necessary steps to remove it from that particular country's Wiki, then go check to see if the article has been uploaded to the other Wikipedias (which happens quite frequently). It's not a vendetta against any one particular person or anything specific, just the editor doing their job as a proper editor on Wikipedia.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 12:41, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Additional: Kjetil_r, you might want to also look into DOLLx8 as well, since this is something associated with Fiko that has been deleted on many of the other Wikis due to lack of reliable sources. I'd look into these edits in particular, since this editor added Dollx8 to the mainspace . Even if the article ends up passing muster, I want you to take a look at it since you're involved with this on the other wikis.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 12:46, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:BLP. No reliable sources given as required in bio. Only one local small Norwegian newspaper (Trønder-Avisa) source in one feature story, and most of the other sources given looks like violating of WP:BLPSPS. Nsaa (talk) 12:47, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - hoax. --KEN (talk) 12:55, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually the Norwegian version was the original version and it stayed there for quite a while. It was never problems with it but because in Wp everybody add something, delete something and something is happening all the time, the Norwegian version lost more and more till even the info box was was just a picture. Then it was deleted so I did not add them because I though you guys would think like the two Norwegian admins.

The truth is however she is not self publishing at all. MISOLIMA Publishing is about one year old and because it has only two books (will have all five books about Bonnie and Clyde) it does not make it less a publisher. It seams to me that this issue has got out of hand already and there is no point in wasting time with this, not for you guys that might have families to take care of and not only spend time in the front of the computer so I suggest just delete what ever you want because I realize something over the past few days, but since it's 1st of May today, Google's Knol encyclopedia is moving to wordpress.com and from tomorrow morning it's live. We will see how much easier it will be to publish something there for users like me that are not so clever as you guys. Enjoy your Wikipedia  METC4F (talk) 14:36, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

One more thing. The Norwegian castle has about 100 employees and about 10 lackey's but not all live at the castle, but many people do because it must be 24h service. People that lives there permanently is about 20 and there is also another book written about the same subject named "Kammerpiken" but if people don't believe it's true then what can I do? She was registered in Folkeregisteret with address Drammensveien 1 which is the Norwegian Castle and in fact me and several of her Facebook friends did visit her there in the 70's and we even spent one New Year there. Only because some feels it sounds untrue it does not mean it is. Read her book "Sølvkammerbetjentens lakei" and you will see it is true and you will know that she knows more noble people than any one of you guys do. That's just part of life when you work and lives at the castle. I would guess in UK there must be far more than 100 people working at Buckingham Palace and all of them have a story to tell if they want or can? Right? METC4F (talk) 14:44, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The thing is, just living in the castle does not give Fiko notability unless there are articles specifically written about her. Books that are written about the community that lives/works in a castle do not transfer notability to Fiko unless they specifically mention her at length. An individual does not gain automatic notability by being in a group that may or may not be notable per Wikipedia guidelines. A good example of this would be a band. The band has enough notability to be on Wikipedia, but not enough for their specific members to become notable. This concept is called WP:NOTINHERITED, as Fiko does not inherit any notability by living in a notable castle, working with notable people, or by being in a group of people that might be considered notable as a whole. It doesn't matter how many or how few there are in a group, being in a group does not give individual notability, regardless of how interesting their stories may or may not be. As far as publishing goes, being published by a publishing house does not give you notability. If that was all it took to gain a Wikipedia article, then there would be far more articles on here- including articles about some talented authors that I personally know. The thing is, even if you're published by a widely notable publishing house (let's say Harper Collins), that does not mean that you as an author would automatically have notability. It just doesn't work that way with the current rules of Wikipedia, for better or for worse. You have to show notability per Wikipedia guidelines and that's the long and short of it. It's incredibly hard to show notability since you have to have multiple reliable sources per WP:RS. You can't just claim something- you have to show proof that is put out by someone that isn't the subject of the article or directly related to them in some format. For example, Fiko could write that a gold coin drops out of her mouth every time she speaks, but unless you have a reliable source (like a newspaper) writing about this claim, you cannot show notability by posting something from Fiko, her employees, her company, or her publisher. Those are all primary sources per WP:PRIMARY and are unusable.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 13:26, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:57, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:58, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Typical self-promotion of self published books. No notability proven within good sources, with the usual "It it true because I know her, and she told me so". Orland (talk) 06:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Looks good to me since it has been rewritten from its original text that was complained about. I made a search on her ISBN on the webpage of the largest publisher in Norway named Digitalbok.no and her book came up with no problems what so ever http://www.digitalbok.no/sok?q=9786169078319&l=no All4Onez (talk) 11:40, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Our new friend All4Onez should know that there is a name for this: Sockpuppetry. Making new user accounts only to participate in votings and discussions like this one, is very common, very obvious and generally condemned (see WP:SOCK). If your arguments aren't good enough, they wont be any better by bringing them forward with new names. Orland (talk) 15:32, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi my friend Orland how are you and your other two Norwegian friends KEN and Kjetil_r today? Thank your for pointing out WP:SOCK (I did not read it but I can guess what it says), I'm sure it does happen from time to time by people that don't know anyting about IP's and Cookies, but the world is not always so Black and White as it seams I guess, because not everybody has just one computer to work from and there could also be a lot of people on the same IP at the same place that are following a "case", people also changes their browsers, or what ever, but rule no. #1 in Wp is still "Never let yourself be draged into endless discussions with administrators...". So I wish you all a good and sunny day and let's hope 17 of May will be a sunny day in Norway :) PS! My favorit colour is red, what's yours? TaBa80 (talk) 16:44, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe I shouldn't respond to socks, but Digitalbok.no isn't a publisher, its a bookstore.Sjö (talk) 07:01, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

>>>>WARNING<<<<
Sorry for posting this here but I thought it might help to make Wikipedia better and I also need to take up this matter with the Norwegian Wikipedia, because this might be a serious misuse of power by a person with administrator rights. What I say here is all true, and in fact VERY true. It's about, let me say one with the name starting with "O" who is an administrator in the Norwegian Wikipedia and the story is not something I "think" or "guess"... it is really based on facts. We (not just I) are a bunch of geeks that has enough computer and server experiences that goes back 30 years in time, so hopefully we knows what we are doing as we never give up until we find the answer for what ever we are searching for. Anne always says "If you don't know what the problem is, then you can't find the answer". It is as simple as that.

Now what we found out and got evidence for, is that this Mr. "O" that got Administration rights here and in the Norwegian Wp, in fact knows Anne and the strange thing about this is that he knows her too well (Anne does not know him though). That does not mean they are friends, oh no because what this is all about is a very deep x-family matter. Mr. "O" is good friend with a VERY, VERY CLOSE relative to Anne's X which she divorced from 25 years ago and Mr. "O" is being dragged into this old family matter and wants to "help out" by deleting everything about Anne on Wikipedia.

And it's here the story begins, because what happens when a couple get divorced and the relationship ends in such way that they never get friends again? and where the other part does not even want to speak with Anne, even if Anne is more than happy to speak, but the other person just don't want? Well this is what's happen... YOU GET DELETED FROM WIKIPEDIA... because when the x-relative of Anne has a friend that happen to be Administrator in Wikipedia, then it's also so easy to tell him to delete everything about her with a big "HA HA HA" if you know what I mean?

I was really wondering why everything about Anne was deleted in such a speedy way on the Norwegian Wikipedia by Mr. "O", and why even things that had nothing to do with the books was deleted in no-time, no questions asked??? The fact is that even issues where the governments, that works with Anne, was also deleted claiming "advertising", when the facts are that if you invest in something huge and the governments works with you, then this is not advertising but public information. At least, it is not for economical gain because simply the information did not have any economical value at all. But it was deleted anyway, and it does not really matter now, but the sad part is to now know why it was deleted because we meant to live in a highly democratic world here in Wikipedia. What I mean with "sad" was just that Mr. "O" has misused the trust given to him by Wikipedia in letting him become an Administrator, with the result that not only the Norwegian Wikipedia was wiped out for EVERYTHING about Anne and what ever she does, leaving nothing behind... but also the Swedish and Danish. I think this will make the grounds for a new book or an article in the main papers beside the one or two papers Mr. "O" is working for, because as said when I started this text, I think this case can help to make Wikipedia even better. I know some would come and say, this in not the point, and I know that, but remember this was not only about the article about Anne, it was so much more than that and it's now more a principle than anything else.

I'm not here to shoot myself in the foot, but for Mr. "O" that likes to play Chess in real life, this time it's my turn to say "sjakk matt" (in Norwegian) to you. Don't forget that Mr. "O" has followed me where ever I've been on Wikipedia for the past week or so and had everything about Anne deleted and he is now trying to do the same in both the English and French Wikipedia as well, not because what's written is wrong, but because his been dragged into a family problem going back 25 years... His way to do it, is to first delete some, then more and then flag the page and questioning everything what's written, he try to make the author look like a fool, then more Norwegians comes in as say "delete" and finally it ends up deleted because one are following the other... THE END METC4F (talk) 22:15, 2 May 2012 (UTC) (edited) METC4F (talk) 05:29, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete before this gets even more painful. - 4ing (talk) 07:02, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete as soon as possible, please, this is pathetic. Anne-Sophie Ofrim (talk) 07:22, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Interesting that everybody that says DELETE is from Norway... and good friends of Mr. "O" as well, same people, same faces... I agree it is pathetic, no doubt about that. Protecting each other is normal for good friends. METC4F (talk) 07:56, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. I agree that notability is not demonstrated; I could not find any significant coverage of Fiko in independent reliable sources. And for what it's worth, I'm Canadian, not Norwegian. Not that it should matter, but apparently it does. Dawn Bard (talk) 16:06, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Per WP:CREATIVE #2, which is that rarity among WP rules, a rule that establishes a criterion for inclusion, rather than exclusion. It seems to me that the number of hits to verify ASF's involvement in the early, pre-personal computer days of computing, even with a casual search, are very healthy for an area that normally gets very little coverage at all. Anarchangel (talk) 05:56, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't see that it is possible to apply the WP:CREATIVE rule here: It specificly speaks for "The person [that] is regarded as ..." and "The person [that] is known for ...", etc. We have so far no realiable sources to what Fiko might be "known for". --Orland (talk) 09:43, 4 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Selfpublished author and nothing else that shows notability can be verified.Sjö (talk) 07:01, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

User Sjö is also friend of Mr. "O" and was part of the team that deleted the Swedish version and I agree that it was OK to delete the Swedish and the Danish version as well because I could see that my Swedish and Danish was not so good as I thought, but could been corrected if Mr. "O" did not jump up and down about having it deleted.

So what this is all about is "I tell a friend to come here to post DELETE"..." How many more friends will be sent to this page to say Delete? For user Dawn Bard I just say, being Norwegian is not a problem at all as I'm Norwegian myself, but the problem here is that Mr. "O" is dragged into a very old family matter via an x-family member of Anne which happens to be a good friend of Mr. "O". It is clear he want to "help" her by deleting everything about Anne from Wikipedia. He have successfully deleted everything from the Norwegian Wp which is every link or anything in relation to Anne. So it's not about delete or not delete, I could not care less, but it's about Mr. "O" has breached every rule of being a Wp administrator, which is a shame for the whole Wp project because it just shows that "do you hate someone? or know someone that does not like a person? Is he or she on Wp? Become a Wp administrator or just ask an existing administrator on Wp to delete everything about that person". That's what this is all about and that's what happened here. Mr. "O" and his friends deleted all subjects and references to Anne in the NoWp in one day. The question is, was it for the good of Wp? Off course not.

Mr. "O" has also articles on Wp based on his own promotional game with so to say zero references, they are short and are not even marked as a stub and if you ask me? Oh yes... he's an admin and can do so without having them deleted? They are purely there to promote his name and his book work. It's easy to see by Google his name, where most results are posted by himself on various websites - a typical self-publisher, because even his own book is not sold by a publisher anymore. He bought the unsold books to try to sell them himself from worldpress.com. To do so, he created various articles in Wp that only points to his book. It's an "bypass" and his self-promoting articles has no value what so ever, beside the fact that he hope to sell some of his books that he got in stock. Anne is in fact more then books, electronics and software as she is maybe most know for her herbs and creams sold under the brand MiroHealth and are exported worldwide. But the fact of life is still that we could live without Internet before so why is references on the Internet suddenly so bloody important? Is it impossible to live without it? or is it so that a person that don't find Internet so important no longer have any rights, like "if you're not visible on the Internet, then we don't believe you?" - you can perfectly well be both rich, famous and noble without Internet. How many people got the Noble Price that was not heard of before they actually got it? METC4F (talk) 08:35, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Why am I suddenly reminded of this essay? The community is not a bunch of socks ... however, you might be trying to do so ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 11:43, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It is a requirement of Wikipedia's notability guidelines and existed here for a while before the Fiko article was created. As for all of us being canvassed to come here, I can only speak for myself when I say that the only reason I knew that this article existed was because it was listed on the Articles for Deletion page, where it can be debated by many different editors. I'm just going to let you know that I am going to bring this to the attention of the administrator's board since these are honestly some pretty serious accusations you're making here. You're essentially saying that the articles are getting nominated and deleted out of a personal grudge and you're also accusing everyone here of being assistants to this personal grudge. I have to warn you that there's been little here to suggest that, and that making accusations of this nature could backfire if it comes out that your accusations are unfounded. (But if they are discovered to be true, then of course the person in trouble would be different.) I really, really suggest that you try being a little more calm about this. I'm trying really, really hard to not to sound offensive when I say this, but it's coming off more like a conspiratist rant than a debate-type argument. When making accusations like this, you've got to try to sound calm and rational or you'll end up doing more to discredit yourself than help. Feel free to chime in on the admin board post and I'll post a link to it as soon as I've created it.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 09:07, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I've posted it here. I want you to understand that I'm not doing this out of spite or as a personal attack, but this has gone on long enough and I think we need an uninvolved admin to jump in here.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 09:21, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * FYI! Digitalbok.no is owned by one of the 3 largest publishers in Norway named Cappelen Damm.
 * Tokyogirl79, I know you're independent and thank you for bringing this forward to the admin board. E-mail is also going to NoWp foundation. Have a nice weekend. METC4F (talk) 10:45, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * An E-mail to NoWp foundation? Wow. Well, I understand it is important for you Fiko - sorry - METC4F or All4Onez or TaBa80 or 110.164.106.211 or AngelDNA to have an article about yourself on Wikipedia. Even lies are ok for you. This article should be deleted as soon as possible. Anne-Sophie Ofrim (talk) 11:20, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete: this appears to be a self-published author. no other evidence for notability supplied. -- The Anome (talk) 11:34, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete please, this is a rather embarrassing discussion - --PaulVIF (talk) 11:50, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Merely having written a book does not make a person notable by Wikipedia's standards.  None of the sources provided seem to verify that this person is currently a notable writer.  It is possible that her books will attract popular or critical attention in the future, and then there will be more reliable sources upon which to base an article, but as it now exists, none of the information in the article is verified by independent reliable sources.  If she becomes more notable in the future, an article about her should be written by people who do not have any personal or professional connection to her. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:16, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete as soon as posible to stop this embarrassing «discussion». Clearly not notable article object, so this awfulness should stop now. 3s (talk) 16:11, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete as soon as posible. Cocu (talk) 16:54, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Is it the bad weather in Norway that makes the Norwegians to come here to post Delete? :) METC4F (talk) 18:05, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Bwilkins says "All of VISA, Amex, Mastercard...they must be the same company, right?" Good one but in fact when you register for a credit card you also ending up in a database that says "declined" so it's recorded for all other credit card companies to see when you apply again. So here instead of saying "declined" the Norwegian jungle telegraph are saying "delete".

But when it comes to IP there could be many users on the same IP which is the case of say a Norwegian Technology Park in Thailand where Norwegians are working, and also has many Norwegians and friends visiting all the time. I guess the same is with DTAC and Jotun in Bangkok. Wi-Fi is a smart thing you know :) and in fact IP these days does not mean anything before everybody goes into IPv6 and Internet of Things.

With regards to users, one IP can have many wikipedia users, especially in larger companies and as more and more people uses Wp, this will also be more and more common. Using Cookies are not a safe way unless everybody on one IP uses one PC with just one browser. If somebody clever want to "cheat" Wp on IP issues as Norwegian Anne-Sophie Ofrim tried to make a point out of, it's just to use proxy servers or more easy Windows Terminal Server and hook up to friends. In that way you can really play the IP game if that was an issue but it's not as every clever person knows how Wp works and does not try to do what's mentioned herein, it's easy as that. METC4F (talk) 18:26, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, trust me, administrators know that ... most of the world knows that, but that doesn't change the fact that all of the people commenting here are, indeed, different people. In fact, if this many unique people from Norway all say she's not notable yet, then I tend to believe them ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 12:09, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete I'm from Norway as well, but feel that Wp is not for old living people that started their carrier long before Internet, unless your name is Bill or Steve though, so what she's known for is not in this WAN (at least not in English or Norwegian, but in Thai or Japanese maybe?) and therefore she should also be deleted. But I have red her book about Bonnie and Clyde 2 times, and I think it's good. Because the English version is soon out, she will for sure be more noble later on, but for now - as a writer, she's just to fresh to be mentioned here in Wikipedia so delete her please. AngelDNA (talk) 09:21, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
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