Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Annette Betté Kellow


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The result was   delete.  Sandstein  05:21, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Annette Betté Kellow

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Non-notable actress and erotic dancer. Cameron Scott (talk) 17:34, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:17, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete as per nom. It is possible that there might be references in either burlesque-oriented or acting-oriented publications in Britain, or possibly local papers or local online sources, but it is up to the article's creators to add these. My searching (several passes -- using "Annette Kellow", also with "Bette" in it, with accent both ways) did not find much.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 18:53, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment She is not entirely unsourcable for her burlesque performances, and has more have coverage outside of England and in more non-English sources than English.  Ignoring an implication that being a burlesque performer must somehow be automatically equated to being an erotic dancer (and no, they are NOT the same thing), the stub article also makes other assertions.  Without use of her middle name, we can find her work as an actress, producer, and screenwriter.  is verifiable. So we might look beyond just burlesque, and expand our searches to see if her acting or proucer work has received enough coverage for her to meet WP:ENT or WP:CREATIVE.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:58, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm open to switching my vote if acceptable sources are found and added. Clearly she's an interesting person. My sense is the IMDb is generally not a good source (since it often depends on users themselves to supply information); but I agree it is a good idea to keep open-minded about the possibility of new sources.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:17, 8 May 2012 (UTC)--Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:20, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The filmwork may be verified directly to the work itself. IMDB is decent enough as a external link in that it offers information with which to expand searches... but of course not as a citation. I'll take a look a bit later toward the needed expansion and sourcing, as is work of which I am reasonably able.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 02:27, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. (vote by Nirvanarama) She is credible, as an actress and burlesque performer and scriptwriter I have seen her performances and some movies, currently in various commercials too including and  and an interview about her career so far   This is one of the films she has written in new york and one of its screenings  scroll down and for its launch at portobello film festival  also  her burlesque is all credible  and there are many press articles on her page  will look up more but i have seen and heard of her shes credible in all these things --- according to Nirvanasomething. (I am just moving the comment to the bottom) NOTE: comment by Nirvanarama, transcribed by me (my vote is still delete, above)--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:49, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Clearly she is a burlesque dancer and credible performer but what we really need here is what Wikipedia calls reliable sources which are verifiable -- newspaper articles, magazines, TV show airings, books, etc. Generally we do not accept YouTube videos or sites like MUZU (since it wasn't a real reporter, but an upload by somebody named Pip Ellwood). Are there local magazines which have articles about Kellow? Or burlesque-oriented publications? Suggest do a search using this string: ("annette kellow" OR "annette bette kellow" OR "annette Betté kellow" OR "annette Bettè kellow" OR "annette b kellow") and looking through all the SERP pages until you can find sources which meet the RS guideline above. If you need guidance write on my talk page.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 23:00, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Tomwsulcer's argument hits the bullseye. There's no significant coverage of this individual, really no more than a locally popular musician would get in local media. None of the films the actress is associated with are themselves notable; they generally appear to be semiprofessional productions with very low budgets -- for example, the film is credited as writer-producer-star of, Gloss, has a reported budget of only $4,000! IMDB is filled with people with similar resumes, only a very small percentage of whom ever achieve notability. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 01:28, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The more cogent points here is that we are doing readers a disservice to decide that a possible failure of meeting WP:ENT would automatically override other notability criteria. We should not discount that she may meet the WP:GNG for things other than a few films.  I offered above that she is not entirely unsourcable for her burlesque performances, and has more have coverage outside of England and in more non-English sources than English, and that being a burlesque performer is not to be automatically equated to being an erotic dancer, as they are NOT the same thing.  I simply included above that we might look elsewhere. And as for her films, we do not judge notability upon budget, but instead rather upon coverage of the project itself to determine notability. And no, I have not done so yet... and am just adding some perspective.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 07:00, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per the sources in the article (one is a note only, one is a snippet view that doesn't even bother to form a complete sentence). Google, Youtube, and IMDB are not RS. If the closer should find that three ordinary RSs have been added to the article in the interim, feel free to strike the !vote. JJB 06:44, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, the nominated verison is currrently poor. I hope if/when it is made better, you would be willing to reconsider.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 07:00, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * KEEP : She has other sources, like Amazon with her films http://www.amazon.co.uk/annette-kellow-Film-TV/s?ie=UTF8&rh=n%3A283926%2Ck%3AAnnette%20Kellow&page=1 There were also links for the festivals her films have appeared in also  interviews etc, Tom is clearly saying she is a credible performer and burlesque artist but that wiki has to verify these sources well they were all listed before, and I listed some below, dont know why your even disputing it actually-YOUTUBE can be identified as verifible if it is something from a credible tv show such as Dancing on Ice which she taught the stars how to dance on Ice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W2S111JxE0 and http://www.visa.co.uk/en/visa_golden_space/london_2012/our_latest_tv_ad.aspx and a play she was in http://www.allinlondon.co.uk/whats-on.php?event=68803 there is also the links below plus more but I can search more as and when necessary, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nirvanarama (talk • contribs) (Comment moved from the top of the page,   Sandstein   05:19, 21 May 2012 (UTC))
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