Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anonymous (Street Meat)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Does not currently pass the notability guidelines. If it does in the future, just contact me and I'll restore it. Or I can userfy it if anyone wants it. Big Dom  08:06, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous (Street Meat)

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Lack of notability FunkyCanute (talk) 12:57, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:FILM. --Cameron Scott (talk) 13:05, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete no independent press coverage. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:27, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Clearly fails every part of Notability (films) and no reliable third party references, in fact no refs at all.Theroadislong (talk) 15:53, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:10, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:10, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: This lends validity to the topic, but I am not seeing similar coverage from multiple sources. Is there any coverage about its appearance at Cannes, if it even did? Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 16:19, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

http://www.shortfilmcorner.com/sfcfilm/filmfiche2.Aspx?id=53539507

Also in places such as this:

http://www.sesiff.org/4th/program/en_noncomp.asp?category1=Bloody+Night&keyword=anonymous+%28street+meat%29&x=46&y=17


 * moved here from talk page of this AfD

Dear friends:

The image of the eye was restored (gun image was not) -- all images are available in "anonymous (street meat)" Google images, please, take a look. https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox/132e812637a7fb8e However, the file was truncated. Meanwhile, I was interviewed by someone from the Huffington Post yesterday. The interview centered on my inspiration for "anonymous (street meat)" -- a 2-year ordeal with Bank of America. With demonstrations and movements like "Occupy Wall Street" going on against Wall Street and the too-big-to-fail banks, thet script for "anonymous (street meat)" was was a metaphor ahead of its time by having a plot that dealt with bank abuse with harrowing images. That's why the film has been well received at festivals abroad -- in Seoul Korea, for one, it was screened in over 14,000 monitors throughout the city. The HP article will link up to "anonymous (street meat)" and it is scheduled for publication on November 1st, or earlier. This sort of coverage is remarkable for a first film by a student while still a student (UCLA third year). "anonymous (street meat)" was finished, complete with sci-fi special effects, on January 21, 2011 - it had been presented before class at the UCLA Bridges Theater on December 8, 2010.

Whether one agrees with "anonymous (street meat)" or not ,and whether one even likes it, this is part of the news and the broader sociatal picture.

Thank you for your support in this endeavor --

Kind regards,Mig (talk) 14:59, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Mig, please see WP:GNG. There needs to be significant, independent coverage from multiple, reliable sources. For most films, this will be reviews or coverage about how the film was made. Is there anything like that for this? Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 16:29, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per Cameron (WP:FILM). Also fails WP:GNG and author fails to give a convincing argument for salvation of the article.    ArcAngel    (talk) ) 13:55, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

There will be an article on this film in the Huffington Post to be published by the beginning of November or before that will tie the film to current events -- thank you :)Mig (talk) 18:42, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Neither of the links above help establish the notability of the article. November isn't now, and that doesn't help either.     ArcAngel    (talk) ) 19:42, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Return to author for now per WP:TOOSOON. I see an author defending her work which bodes well for possible improvements... BUT out of article space. At 'National Association of Latino Independent Producers', I read "The film screened at the California International Shorts Film Festival, where it received an Honorable Mention, the Cannes Festival de Film, Daazo Centre European Films in Cannes. It was nominated by Famewalk International Film Festival, Seoul Extreme Shorts International Film Festival, St. Petersburg International Film Festival Beginning (Russia). Up next is a screening at the Burbank International Film Festival." So the film IS out there and receiving verifiable minor recognition at festivals.  As is rare that a short film makes much of a splash at all, and if author's contention is correct and this film has coverage pending, then we can reconsider a return to article space if/when that coverage is available and shared.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:57, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * anonymous (street meat)


 * Thanks for your entry, Michael. It's true what you said.  I'm surprised at the editing reaction this entry engendered, but I'm also surprised that the film has received such positive attention worldwide.  Short films don't normally get reviewed nor covered.  That's one reason I was surprised at the Wikipedia page (since removed) for "Saturday Night Special," which depicted that particular short (passing itself off as a full length movie on the Wikipedia page) as a "masterpiece."  But I know that short films don't get that kind of critical acclaim or press, unless someone famous is involved -- and even then.  I believe that perhaps the film festival note received by "anonymous (street meat)" may be because of its subject matter -- bank and corporate abuse presented in a metaphorical manner.  Incidentally, the film was also in Cyprus on Oct. 15, 2011, and I wrote to them requesting any Cyprian press coverage available -- the same with Korea and Russia.  The problem, I believe, that one can't get here their local press coverage, if any exists, is that such coverage would be in the native tongue of the country and it may not be accessible through a Google search.  It's also difficult to contact film festival representatives because they act in anonymity for obvious reasons.


 * This is a first film, a UCLA student film, made by a screenwriting MFA TFTDM candidate, not a "directing" student per se, for an experimental film class which required that a five-minute film be completed in eleven weeks from start to finish. This is NOT a thesis film, but a class assignment.  The short film was screened at UCLA bridges Theater on December 8, (I believe) 2010.  Special effects were added thereafter and it was completed on January 21, 2011.  So, in reality, the film was "released" in 2011.


 * Nonetheless, the film and I will also be covered by the Huffington Post (or a very similar on-line publication), as I was interviewed by columnist Daniel Cubias a week ago. The article is scheduled to be published at the end of October or November 1st.  It will be tied to the movement "Occupy" of which I play no part.


 * Thanx again and kind regards, Mig (talk) 14:48, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I would like to add that any recognition by a film festival of a film is not minor recognition. A screening is not minor recognition -- this is because film festivals see thousands of films before they decide on a handful of films that will become a part of their festival for the entire year -- they spend a lot of time, money, resources and effort promoting the films selected.  Being selected is in and of itself recognition.  "anonymous (street meat)" represented the USA in Russia, Korea and Cyprus.


 * From the Wikipedia page " Film festivalFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_festival


 * "A film festival is an organised, extended presentation of films in one or more movie theaters or screening venues, usually in a single locality. More and more often film festivals show part of their films to the public by adding outdoor movie screenings.[1] The films may be of recent date and, depending upon the focus of the individual festival, can include international releases as well as films produced by the organisers' domestic film industry. Sometimes there is a focus on a specific film-maker or genre (e.g., film noir) or subject matter (e.g., horror film festivals). A number of film festivals specialise in short films, each with its defined maximum length. Film festivals are typically annual events."


 * The article also goes into how film festivals -- which vary in recognition and prestige -- charge an entry fee. "anonymous (street meat)" has been invited to most of these film festivals and the entry fee has been waived, so that does not apply.  Mig (talk) 15:11, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I would also like to add that the same people who ignored the double standard example I mentioned of "Saturday Night Special" are the same ones who are arguing for a speedy deletion of "anonymous (street meat)" and I question their selectivity. There are precious few films (long or short) made by women -- fewer yet made by Hispanic women.  I shouln't have to run from one page to the next (as they keep popping up) with a hobbled computer to point out that simple fact of reality and statistics.  I'm disappointed that things are not read by people and that a remark is made that an article that is being written, is something "in the future," "not now."  Is November not soon enough for anyone?  Do columnists write articles without first doing the proper research or even verifying acceptance of same with the publisher?   This is too selective for my taste because I am a fair-minded person, so I have to ask our review committe to stop by and take a look.  Thank you for your contribution.  Mig (talk) 15:54, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Toward your comments on Saturday Night Special (film), please read WP:OSE. The article was removed in 2007 (before my time here) per WP:CRYSTAL as being premature. and was removed again 5 days ago as being the recreation of a article previousy deleted per a deletion discussion. Had the new version of that old article been sufficient different or better sourced that its predecessor, that deletion might be reversed. But I do not know the content of either and so cannot judge.
 * And it does not matter if a film is that of a student or major filmmaker, WHEN it has coverage is the deciding factor...not that it WILL in the near future. Having this one placed for a short time in a WP:USERSPACE will give it the needed time. If the sources come forward, then it might be considered for article space. Lacking those sources, it is premature. I ask you to read WP:Notability (films) to see Wikipedia requirements, WP:V to see that anything in an article must be verifiable IN reliable sources, WP:RS to understand what Wikipedia's requirements are for reliable sources, and WP:COI and WP:NAU to understand Wikipedia strongly dscouraging editors writing about themselves or their projects. Wikipedia mandates a neutral point of view, and your being so close to the topic makes that difficult at best. Also, please read WP:PRIMER to get a handle on the above requirements.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 18:36, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


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