Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anouk Claes (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. After extensive discussion and analysis of sources, there is consensus that there is insufficient coverage of this subject to merit encyclopedic notability. No prejudice against refunding to draft if editors preferring to keep the article believe that additional sources can be found that overcome the deficiencies identified. BD2412 T 22:55, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Anouk Claes
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Lack of notability. Two of the cites are self published; the third led nowhere. Note tat there is an academic of the same name who is, in all probability, more notable.TheLongTone (talk) 14:49, 21 February 2020 (UTC) TheLongTone (talk) 15:17, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The "second nomination" is a sorta mistake; I tried to nominate a moment ago but Twinkle failed tol follow thru.TheLongTone (talk) 15:19, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * She has written six books:


 * Warum & Wieso Verlag Allinti, ISBN 978-3-905836-07-3
 * Müssen war gestern Verlag Allinti, ISBN 9783905836226
 * Sie & Sie Verlag Allinti, ISBN 978-3-905836-05-9
 * Durchsichtig: Hellsichtigkeit und wie Sie am besten damit umgehen Verlag Allinti, ISBN 978-3-905836-08-0
 * Gefühle, Geist und Ego Verlag Allinti, ISBN 978-3-905836-02-8
 * Angst – Beschützer rund um die Uhr Verlag Allinti, ISBN 978-3-905836-03-5
 * Publications by and about Anouk Claes in the catalogue Helveticat of the Swiss National Library
 * She is a bestseller author.
 * She is famous in Swiss. She was often in German TV. One you can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18DRIIsVhMY
 * It is only a translation of German Wikipedia article, which exists already several years. Wega14 (talk) 15:22, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * So, if she is famous you really should be able to come up with some decent references. A Youtube clip is, to put it very politely, not good enough.TheLongTone (talk) 15:27, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * well in external links there you can find deutschlandfunk.de, Eine Lange Nacht über Krankheit, Heilung und Gesundheit: Befund und Befindlichkeit see also deutschlandfunk
 * please notice, she is famous in Swiss. Swiss is a different culture. Majority of people in Swiss believe in such things. She is working in Swiss in normal hospitals. There she is has a own room. Please respect, there are different cultures. Wega14 (talk) 15:34, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I've always thought of the Swiss as rational.TheLongTone (talk) 15:36, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, they are. But also police using there such mediums for work. In medicine, they are using such mediums. Company working against corruption with mediums and so on. Some Mediums are big pop stars in Swiss, they are in TV, they can fill big halls with several thousands of people. Wega14 (talk) 15:44, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:39, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Switzerland-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:39, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails GNG. The article cites no substantial coverage in reliable sources. The Deutschlandfunk piece is a passing mention.
 * Contrary to what Wega14 writes, the Swiss are not significantly more or less likely to believe in paranormal stuff or fringe science than other Western nations, not that this would matter for our purposes.
 * Claes is covered in the German Wikipedia because their inclusion criteria are less restrictive than ours for authors: basically, anybody who's published two fiction books or four nonfiction books with a regular publisher gets an article (de:Wikipedia:Relevanzkriterien). That's not how we measure notability.
 * Also, as a Swiss person, I can affirm that this author is in no way "famous". She's unknown to me, at least.  Sandstein   15:55, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * If you are from Swiss (well German Swiss part), why don't you watch this here? It is from a big German TV Channel only about Anouk Claes. Who is able to get that? Wega14 (talk) 16:00, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a 10 minute Youtube video of what looks like excerpts of one or several old German TV documentaries with an ugly watermark added. We cannot cite that as a source in the article for several reasons (WP:SPS, linking to copyright violations), and we cannot use clips somebody on Youtube stitched together even for notability purposes: we have no way of determining how true this Youtube clip is to its source(s), especially as regards the article subject. We'd need to find a copy of the original film, and some information about its authorship and editorial oversight, etc., and then determine whether it amounts to significant coverage in reliable sources. And I for one am not going to watch 2+ hours of old German TV for that purpose. If this person is notable, there will be coverage of her in written sources.  Sandstein   17:22, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * This video is part one of 6 parts. It was a documentary film only about Anouk Claes, made by a big German TV Channel called 3sat. Wega14 (talk) 19:19, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I found the video on an original place here . This is the homepage of srf.ch, a big Swiss TV Channel. The title of the documentary film is: "Clairvoyant: Anouk Claes - A life in two worlds". And here is the wiki-page of SRF: Schweizer Radio und Fernsehen Wega14 (talk) 19:59, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * And I found a description of ARD (TV Channel), that this movie was in program at 29.10.2013: see also ARD (broadcaster). Wega14 (talk) 21:21, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment : Swiss are not significantly more or less likely to believe in paranormal stuff or fringe science than other Western nations - according to the Wellcome Global Monitor, Switzerland has one of the lowest levels of belief in the safety of vaccines in Europe (and well below US levels).--Goldsztajn (talk) 10:44, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete Fails GNG. -Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 17:34, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability exists. She has written six books with regular publisher and is a bestseller-author. She got own TV-Shows in big TV-Channels. She has a German Wikipedia article for years. The criteria in German Wikipedia are much harder than in English Wikipedia. (see discussion above) It seems to me, that the discussion here is more about the subject, not the notability. Wega14 (talk) 11:40, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment All six books are published by the same Swiss publishing firm (Allinti) - whose catalogue consists of a small set of authors claiming, inter alia, "the gift of spiritual communication with wild animals", "experience with supernatural phenomena began in childhood", "the very high angel of the heavenly hierarchy asked her to open up to direct communication with the divine" (Google translation from original German) . I do not believe the firm can be considered reliable or that these texts can be used to establish notability.--Goldsztajn (talk) 10:44, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment There is still another publisher: Ansata Munich , which is a branch of randomhouse .Wega14 (talk) 10:51, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Allinti was a branch of Brockhaus, but with a special subject. Such books are bestsellers. Don't know, why you think, that we can't count, because it isn't a subject you like. Wega14 (talk) 10:59, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * If I understand correctly Ansata is a division of Random House that publishes similar "wellness" industry texts. I can't determine immediately if Allinti is a division of Brockhaus, but I'll WP:AGF. However, for me, this does not change the fact that the texts are under an imprint which cannot be considered reliable.  If it was verifiable that these were some of the highest selling texts within this subject, that might make the publications notable. But there is no evidence of sales.  By themselves, the texts cannot be considered reliable publications (they are on a level of self-published work in my view). --Goldsztajn (talk) 11:09, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment The TV-Channels, which sent TV-Shows about Anouk Claes, are very serious TV-Channels, high culture channels. Wega14 (talk) 11:13, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Anouk Claes is studied, worked for years for Clinic in Basel, which is one of the biggest in Swiss. She is established. Wega14 (talk) 11:15, 24 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - I have not made a decision on my !vote here, but there seem to be a lot of assertions.  What do you consider to be the best three sources that establish the WP:notability of Anouk Claes? Please provide just three that address the points raised in WP:BASIC.--Goldsztajn (talk) 11:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Very difficult, if you can't understand German: Best I would say is Clairvoyant: Anouk Claes - A life in two worlds (German)"". on SRF: Schweizer Radio und Fernsehen. This is a high quality documentary film made about Anouk Claes with around 50 Minutes. It was sent in some German High Culture Channels. One of them you can read here Movie-Description at ARD-Channel see also ARD (broadcaster) translation: "Anouk Claes, born in Belgium, has lived in Basel for many years, where she studied psychology and theology at the university. At the same time, she lives in a world of - as she says - "fine material beings": She sees deceased people, can see through living people, recognize energy flows and emotions, and from this she can deduce the state of health of those concerned. Jakob Bösch, head physician of the external psychiatric services in Basel, has been gathering experience in working with "perceptive faculties" for years. For him, Anouk Claes is the greatest sensitive talent he has encountered so far. The two now carry out therapies together, including at the Bruderholz clinic in Basel. Rosemarie Pfluger shows in the documentary film "Hellsichtig (clairvoyant)" how Anouk Claes succeeds in helping people to heal themselves. A film by Rosemarie Pfluger". Alone that last one I would say, should be already enough. Wega14 (talk) 11:49, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment And second may be this here: deutschlandfunk.de see also Deutschlandfunk translation of part of article: "Psychiatric Clinic Basel Land. Fourth floor. A long corridor. The door signs indicate the functions of the staff: Senior physician, ward nurse, head physician Dr. Jakob Bösch. Then a room with the door sign "Healer".

Anouk Claes: "They call me that. I myself do not use the word. I assume that I am giving the person, in the moment he is with me, the right thing. It happens of course that I cannot help people. For example: I had an elderly woman who was going blind, I can't do anything about it. But I helped her accept it in the end. Anouk Claes has accompanied the psychiatrist Jakob Bösch in many first anamnesis of a patient:

Jakob Bösch: "It's true that working with a healer has advantages from a professional point of view, because I can see the connections far more deeply. For some patients, a chance of healing only arises from this cooperation. With many patients, for example with chronic depression, with chronic pain, we hardly make any progress. This is seldom the case with the healer."

Energetic healing is provocative because it does without any material influence and thus turns the world view of orthodox medicine upside down. Natural science assumes that human beings are purely material beings and therefore require material intervention to heal diseases. Material are all chemical medicines, but also natural remedies, radiation or operations. A mental-spiritual view of man leads to other methods of treatment. Energetic healers do not inject, do not prescribe ointments or pills. On the surface, they do nothing that people expect from a helpful treatment. The spectrum of healing methods ranges from praying, laying on of hands to trance healing. Some people seem to have the gift of being able to positively influence illnesses without medication or physical aids.

The homepage of Anouk Claes

Healers try to strengthen the self-healing powers of the patient. Some see themselves as a channel for a helpful divine energy, others speak of a strengthening stream of love, which they channel into the body and soul of the patient. They suspect that chronically ill people are stuck in mental injuries. These insults lead to negative thought and action patterns. If these become chronic, physical symptoms often arise.

Jakob Bösch: "We have an abundance of experimental data that prove that we can have a mental, or one can also say mental, effect on other organisms, on humans, on animals, on plants. We know a lot about light communication between cells, about electromagnetic fields that we have in and around us, but to describe these things in detail still means a lot of work.

Jakob Bösch, psychiatrist and emeritus private lecturer at the University of Basel, was and is a passionate supporter of classical medicine. Today, he says: "Conventional medicine has left the path of experiential science in some areas. When it comes to spiritual healing methods, the unprejudiced stocktaking has given way to a faithlike defensive attitude.

Jakob Bösch: "One is a priori for or against, and one cannot convince people of anything else with scientific studies. The change takes place through personal life. Be it that you get sick yourself, that a child gets sick, that you perhaps have patients who experience an impressive improvement through, for example, complementary medicine treatment or spiritual healing - this is how the changes happen, but not through study results. There is a structure within us that is usually too rigid."
 * Comment the last one is also a high culture broadcaster in Germany. Read the text, what they talking about Anouk Claes. It is so astonishing, so new. And they use it in normal medicine, in normal clinic (one of the biggest in Swiss) for years with big success. And they can help people, they couldn't help before. Alone that information is so important ... Wega14 (talk) 11:49, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment In Swiss they have hundreds of mediums with own education-places (here a small list ). It is an old tradition in Swiss, depends on the Alps, where they developed such a culture over hundred of years. And I would say, Anouk Claes belongs in Swiss to top ten mediums. Wega14 (talk) 12:00, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

--Goldsztajn (talk) 14:08, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - I've tried to summarise your points here.  As far as I can see you have only indicated two reliable sources. I managed to find one more which I have included.  However, from what I can see so far, there is not a threshold to cross WP:BASIC.  I'm open to reconsidering my !vote, but so far there is simply not enough to justify an article.
 * Comment - The two last sources in your list are not good. Please use for example that one: Movie-Description at ARD-Channel see also ARD (broadcaster) translation: "Anouk Claes, born in Belgium, has lived in Basel for many years, where she studied psychology and theology at the university. At the same time, she lives in a world of - as she says - "fine material beings": She sees deceased people, can see through living people, recognize energy flows and emotions, and from this she can deduce the state of health of those concerned. Jakob Bösch, head physician of the external psychiatric services in Basel, has been gathering experience in working with "perceptive faculties" for years. For him, Anouk Claes is the greatest sensitive talent he has encountered so far. The two now carry out therapies together, including at the Bruderholz clinic in Basel. Rosemarie Pfluger shows in the documentary film "Hellsichtig (clairvoyant)" how Anouk Claes succeeds in helping people to heal themselves. A film by Rosemarie Pfluger" Wega14 (talk) 14:31, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - And please use this one: Frankfurter Rundschau: Anouk Claes ist ziemlich helle see also Frankfurter Rundschau translation: Anouk Claes is pretty bright(clairvoyant). Anouk Claes was born in Belgium and is clairvoyant since birth. Nevertheless she never gave up and made the best of both more than adverse circumstances. For one thing, she now lives in Basel, which is as tax-friendly as it is Swiss. On the other hand, she has already written books about her clairvoyance, such as the standard work "Durchsichtig - Hellsichtigkeit und wie Sie am am besten umgehen mit dem. On Friday, April 8, Claes will come to the "Adventure Evening" at 7.30 pm to the hall building in Wilhelm-Leuschner-Straße 69-77 to tell for 15 Euro admission how it is like to be constantly surrounded by "subtle beings", to "see through living people, to recognize energy flows and emotions". Interested people should hurry, because you don't have to be clairvoyant to guess that Claesen's performance will be sold out in no time. Because the business with clairvoyance is booming. Lectures, workshops - all that is more than well booked. "At the moment there are unfortunately no more individual consultations available, as Anouk Claes is completely booked out", the website of Mrs. Claes informs us. Oh, you have to be clairvoyant. We are already practising. Looking through the person sitting next to us is already working quite well. Wega14 (talk) 14:37, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - And please use this one: derbund.ch: Interview with Anouk Claes translation: "Hate feels very pleasant,  When someone tells me what they are suffering from, it takes me about ten minutes to find out what the causes are and how they can do something about it," says Anouk Claes. The 36-year-old is a sought-after therapist because of her clairvoyance. She not only talks to people, but also to coconuts and wine bottles. Do you have to notify a clairvoyant woman if you do not arrive in time for the interview because the train was late? Or does she know this long before you call? I do call then. A quarter of an hour later, an inconspicuous young woman greets us and takes us to a small office at the hay scale in Basel. She is only a subtenant here, she says almost apologetically to the photographer. Then she sits down and waits for the questions.

"Ms. Claes, you're famous for your clairvoyance. When did you become aware of this ability?

Anouk Claes:I have always seen more, but I didn't find it very useful as a child. I couldn't imagine back then that others didn't see exactly the same as I did. When I was about ten years old, I became aware that other people were asking questions that were unnecessary for me.

For example?

If someone told me that his sister was sad yesterday, I wondered why the person he was talking to would respond, while I saw that she had become angry, not sad. I did not understand why people often do not say what they feel. At some point I decided to stick to the words, to give people the freedom to say what they want to say. From then on I did not confront them anymore if the words did not match the feelings. There is always a reason when someone behaves like that, you have to respect that.

Do you look at the people who come to you for counselling to see what health problems they have?

I could scan that, yes, but I also give everyone there the freedom to tell me what they want to talk about. If someone tells me what they are suffering from, it takes me about ten minutes to find out what the causes are and how they can do something about it.

What concerns do people come to you with?

It is very different. Many come for chronic pain, some only after 10 or 15 years of suffering. Others want advice on relationship issues, want to get their sleeping problems under control. Many complaints have to do with repressed emotions. I can recognize which emotions are suppressed because I see the seat of the emotions in the body. And I can help to reactivate suppressed emotions.

Can you heal people who are seriously ill?

Sometimes healing occurs, yes. I have seen severe chronic pain resolve itself instantly. But I do not do this alone, it always happens in cooperation with the people who seek my help. I can only give impulses for self-healing.

Anouk Claes was born in Belgium. When she was 14 years old and working at a campsite at the reception, she noticed that many guests were looking for her closeness, confiding in her personal belongings. "I've always done what I do today, but I didn't know for a long time that this could be a profession," says the 36-year-old. She studied psychology in Belgium, but started all over again in Basel because her degree was not recognised. Before her licentiate, she travelled to China for three years, where her daughter was born. Back in Basel she began to work as a therapist, medium and trainer and studied theology for four years while working.

Energy field like a swarm of mosquitoes

Anouk Claes bases her work on two pillars: she looks to see whether the five emotions of grief, love, happiness, anger and jealousy are in balance or whether something is being suppressed that can lead to illness. While talking to clients, she sees the five emotions as patches of colour in the upper body. The second pillar is the energy field in and around the body. "These are particles that fly around freely", says Claes, "like a swarm of mosquitoes in summer". She pays special attention to the size and density. The initial density differs from person to person, there is no standard. However, it is important that the density decreases continuously with increasing distance from the body and does not suddenly drop from 90 to 30 particles per square centimetre. emotions colored, energy colorless

When Anouk Claes talks about her work, there's nothing gushing about it, you never get the impression that she thinks it's something special, wants to make herself interesting. "I wasn't aiming for that, it just happened," she says. "My work is primarily a translation work. When I am confronted with a person, there is a huge amount of information. To evaluate all of this would take hours. That's why I have to filter out the most important information and then translate it into words that can be understood by everyone."

At first she saw the energy fields in colour, she says, in the same way as you see aura-images in books. But since she also sees the feelings in colours, this would have led to confusion. So she decided to see the energy field in black and white and to pay attention to size and particle density. "The transformation of information into pictures only occurs in my brain, so I can choose which representation fits best. It's like in digital data processing: when I receive an SMS, letters don't fly through the air. I can choose how my phone displays the message."

When ideas don't come in

And what good does that do if someone knows how large, how dense, how regular his energy field is? Claes says this is important in interpersonal contact. People with an energy field that is too dense often have difficulty reaching others with their ideas. "They bring a proposal to the plenum and no one pays any attention. A week later a colleague comes up with the same idea and everyone thinks it's great. This may be due to the energy field. If it's too dense, the enthusiasm won't get through." People like that would have trouble grasping the person across from them. "And they're always served last in the garden restaurant because they're simply overlooked." Claes says mental work can change the energy field.

Do you see your gift as a reward or an obligation?

It's perfectly normal for me. If you're musically gifted, you don't have to make music, but you like doing it.

How do you proceed when someone calls on your help because of sleep problems?

I ask since when the person suffers from it, when the problems occur, how it feels. While we are talking, my work starts, I start to look, check different causes. Often sleep disorders have to do with mental underload. I divide people into body, feelings, ego and mind. The ego acts on the action level, it represents the dual thinking, divided into small/big, good/bad, before/after. The mind is not bound to time and place. People who have their focus in the mind are quickly bored if they use the mind too little. This can lead to restlessness and insomnia.

And how do you change this?

By giving the mind more opportunities to develop. We can travel with the mind, dive into the last winter or into the next summer. We all do it to some extent, but it can be intensified, expanded. That way the spirit is challenged more.

Meditation teachers teach us just the opposite: to be more in the here and now, not always living in the past or future.

What is the present then? For people who have their focus in the mind, the Now is very limited. To concentrate in meditation on this small point is a limitation that causes nervousness; they need to be able to travel into the past and into the future. For people who sit more in the body, the same meditation exercise can be very relaxing. This is all very individual.

What are the main reasons why people get out of balance?

One main problem is that many people think there is something wrong with them, that they should be different. They think they're too materialistic, putting the invisible above the visible. For me all matter is divine, I do not separate the human from the divine. It is therefore not the aim to become independent of the body, of the ego, to be completely spiritualized. Without ego, without this judgmental distance on the level of action, we can't even make coffee. Without ego there would be no ambition, no sport, no progress. We need the ego in everyday life, but it should not be the only instance. But there is also no reason to want to get rid of the ego. This is a common desire. Then the ego creeps into the spiritual world. People then say: "I'm further than you, I have higher vibrations." I find that very exhausting. Because it's a lie?

Because it's too one-sided. There's nothing wrong with having negative thoughts. Everyone has them, and normal thinking is half of it. From a mental perspective, it doesn't have to be devalued. I often tell people to start thinking negative thoughts again. You do it one way or the other, to cover it up or suppress it is very exhausting. At some point you are exhausted, and the pile-up makes its way. People usually feel bad because they think that they are bad; that they should be different. The important thing is to give your feelings and thoughts room. They do not disappear if you ignore them. Hate, for example, is ok, it feels very comfortable if you let it. Hate simply means "I don't want to". Many people no longer allow themselves to want or not want anything; they believe they have to accept everything.

When she talks like that, you might think you're sitting with an ordinary psychologist. But then Claes tells how she asks managers for office supplies and wine bottles to find out why some sell badly. That recently a coconut that she actually wanted to eat complained about the bad harvest conditions in the Caribbean. And that she likes to discuss in the supermarket with different detergents - not only about which one can best tackle the stains, but also about politics.

"Everything in nature has access to all levels of information," says Claes, "whether we're talking to a dog, a tree or a stone makes no difference, it's all nature, everything the same age, everything the same mass.

Do you often travel in other worlds, Mrs Claes? "Yes, actually always, I'm used to it. There are so many universes and life forms. I'm always exploring new worlds. Not aimlessly, I download a map." From the Internet? "No, I'm tapping into the vast pool of knowledge available to us all."

Then it's time to go. I have a client waiting in the outer office. We're disoriented and headed for the station. The train is on time. We travel, quite solidly, back to Bern. Wega14 (talk) 14:44, 29 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment There are still more, if you need. Wega14 (talk)


 * Delete: I would only want to "see more" if it were not interviews, home page content, or other self-published sources. Regardless of all the wishes, the criteria for notability is evidenced by significant coverage in reliable and independent sources. I just do not see the subject meeting the criteria for inclusion in a worldwide encyclopedia. "She not only talks to people, but also to coconuts and wine bottles.", and she also converses with "different detergents". I don't find this particularly interesting or intriguing but some may. It is not Wikipedia's goal to advance the strange paranormal or stranger para-abnormal. There has to be irrefutable sourcing per policies and guidelines. It is not our job to determine the truthfulness. When someone believes in the Bible they can believe that we can talk to a mountain (verse 23). Anything short of proper sourcing and Wikipedia is guilty of propagating fringe theories. Otr500 (talk) 17:00, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. She was the main subject of a documentary film on a nationally broadcast German public television station. While she does have some self-published material, one of her books was published by a subsidiary of Random House and her work is held in her nation's national library. All put together, I think it's enough to satisfy WP:GNG. Ultimately the critics here seem to be WP:IDONTLIKEIT arguments.4meter4 (talk) 19:12, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete The lone indicator of notability that meets our requirements is the documentary. It is telling that the strenuous effort by the article creator has failed to present any other sources that possess convincing indices of reliability. I don't know what the huge excerpt from an uncited interview is supposed to be accomplishing but it has every appearance of copyright violation that should be revdel'ed. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:44, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


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