Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anthony Coffey (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 19:20, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Anthony Coffey
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I am unable to substantial independent coverage in reliable sources that demonstrate that WP:NARTIST is met. SmartSE (talk) 11:51, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Tanton2008 (talk) 14:37, 12 April 2017 (UTC) I would strongly advise you to review the references about the artist.


 * Comment - New References were added. Contributions for this article were provided by different users Tanton2008 (talk) 15:31, 12 April 2017 (UTC
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:50, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:50, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Article fails to satisfy the simplest of WP standards, lacks sufficient reliable, independent secondary sources.Cllgbksr (talk) 17:15, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: Watauga Democrat and Mountain Times are reliable independent secondary sources, fyi. Tanton2008 (talk) 17:39, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * They look like small town circulations to me. Don't believe they satisfy - reliable sourcing.  I'll let the populous decide.Cllgbksr (talk) 17:53, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * User Cllgbksr comment makes me concern. It's against Wikipedia code to claim a small town newspaper is not a reliable source. Watauga Democrat started its circulation in 1888 and Mountain Times in 1978. Tanton2008 (talk) 18:21, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm concerned that you believe there's such a thing as a "Wikipedia code", or that you misstate User:Cllgbks's objection regarding reliable sourcing. --Calton | Talk 04:07, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * @Calton You're right, there is no such thing as a Wikipedia code. I meant neutrality regarding the secondary sources. We can't subjectively sort secondary sources based on their circulation. Small town newspapers started last century and earned their place to be reliable news sources for local NC community. It looks like they were the first to write about the artist before The Village Voice did in 2000. -- Tanton2008 (talk) 15:12, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 *  I meant neutrality regarding the secondary sources OK, now you're just using random words you pulled out of the guidelines. And yes, area of coverage -- not circulation, which is your projection -- is one of the many things used to assess sources.
 * ... earned their place to be reliable news sources for local NC community Which, also, no one has questioned, so another straw man. So, to repeat, small-town hometown newspapers do NOT argue for global, national, or even regional notability, nor are they really acceptably reliable sources regarding things outside their circulation area, which you implicitly accept when you wrote "for local NC community". --Calton | Talk 00:09, 15 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: There is a reference about the artist from The Village Voice Tanton2008 (talk) 18:23, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. Minor artist, and yes, small-town hometown newspapers do NOT argue for global, national, or even regional notability. See also the notability guidelines for creative people, which I'm not seeing as being met here. --Calton | Talk 04:07, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: There is a reference about the artist from The Village Voice Tanton2008 (talk) 14:16, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - The article contains three secondary independent sources - Village Voice, Watauga Democrat and Mountain Times. Thus meets the basic criteria for notability WP:Basic -- Tanton2008 (talk) 14:52, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment I looked at the Village Voice WP page you reference and there is no mention of Anthony Coffee - that I can see. Cllgbksr (talk) 19:02, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * @Cllgbksr The Artist last name - Coffey not Coffee, fyi -- Tanton2008 (talk) 19:31, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * @Cllgbksr Could you please post a web link for the Village Voice WP page here? The correct reference - The Village Voice September 19, 2000,p. 99 (Paperback) -- Tanton2008 (talk) 19:39, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment I do see Tanton2008 has voted "keep" twice on this page, so I know my eyes are working. Cllgbksr (talk) 19:11, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I edited the page to show only one vote from me. -- Tanton2008 (talk) 19:31, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - small-town, locally-know artist. The "reference" to the Village Voice, even if we could understand it, apparently only attests that he took place in an exhibit in New York City. This does not constitute the substantive coverage of Coffey which is requisite for notability. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  23:43, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - @ Orange Mike Again, the view point is subjective instead of neutral. Small-town or big-town is a wrong approach. Instead, we should ask the following question - Are Mountain Times, Watauga Democrat and The Village Voice independent reliable sources? The answer is yes.
 * Wrong/irrelevant question. One more time: the issue is notability, and even if we accept your reframing it's still "no" because whether a source is considered "reliable" depends entirely on what it's a source FOR. --Calton | Talk 13:13, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Tanton2008 (talk) 19:18, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Small town coverage of artists is usually on the lines of human interest stories and not a clear showing of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:32, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment The artist currently exhibits in New York City at Ward Nasse Gallery and had a solo exhibition in 2013 and numerous group shows. He has works in the private collection of Goldman Sacks and Cantor Fitzgerald -- Tanton2008 (talk) 22:00, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Nothing in its article suggests the Ward Nasse Gallery has any sort of permanent collection nor that exhibiting there is any sort of marker of notability or recognition. And how do you know that this guy's work is owned by Goldman Sachs and/or Cantor Fitzgerald, and what difference would it make that a couple of financial firms needed stuff to hang on the walls of their meeting rooms, anyways? --Calton | Talk 13:22, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Barron's (newspaper) wrote about Ward-Nasse Gallery. The gallery has ben in SoHo NYC for more than 40 years. Regarding Anthony Coffey private collections, this information was published @ his website. -- Tanton2008 (talk) 20:43, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The mere fact of Barron's publishing something about a gallery says little, if anything, about the gallery's notability or usefulness as a mark of recognition for any of the the artists that have displayed there, and even less about any particular artist. And the stuff about financial firms buying any of this guy's stuff is a) irrelevant to saying anything about his notability, status, and/or talent; and b) a CLAIM by the artist himself, so a primary source at best. Random name-dropping is NOT evidence of anything except attempts at resume-padding. --Calton | Talk 04:22, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Suggestion Can we merge this article into another article? It looks like everyone agrees there was a local coverage about the artist. (Watauga Democrat, Mountain Times) For example, merge it into Boone, North Carolina Or maybe convert the article into a stub in order to let it be expanded later? We have three independent sources about the artist - two local newspapers and one NYC newspaper at this point. -- Tanton2008 (talk) 22:14, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Convert it to a stub? It IS a stub. And there isn't some sort of lower standard of notability for stubs. --Calton | Talk 13:13, 15 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment  @ Calton - please don't modify my comments or my vote. I specifically wrote vote "keep" next to my explanation why I think so. Tanton2008 (talk) 00:50, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * No, you wrote "keep" twice, then put it in the wrong place. --Calton | Talk 13:13, 15 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - Anthony Coffey has been exhibiting in New York's galleries for the past twenty years, which is why The Village Voice writes about him. In addition, primary sources confirm his acceptance within the New York's art scene.  Over 20+ references found throughout the article speak for themselves. - CodeSlicer (talk) 03:01, 15 April 2017 (UTC) — CodeSlicer (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * No, according to article references, the Village Voice has written ONCE about a group show he was in. And primary sources are neither marks of notability nor independent confirmation of anything other than existence. --Calton | Talk 13:13, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The artist had group and solo exhibitions in NYC per references in the article. His artworks are in museums and private collections per references (web and paper). All this info in the article about him --Tanton2008 (talk) 20:43, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Did you read a single thing I wrote? --Calton | Talk 04:22, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


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