Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anthony Hewitt (baseball)


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The result was no consensus.  A  Train talk 09:04, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Anthony Hewitt (baseball)

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fails WP:NBASEBALL and WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 16:11, 3 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - I would argue he meets GNG as per ample coverage (including several extended feature stories) in a variety of newspapers and other reliable sources.          Go   Phightins  !  23:51, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 03:33, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 03:33, 4 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. Doesn't pass WP:NBASEBALL and to me the only one of the articles above that goes to GNG is the Sielski article. The rest are something nearly all first round draft picks have written about them and thus to me NBASEBALL should have some deference (or else be amended that being a first round pick of an MLB team, and possibly other leagues, is enough for notability). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:56, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, GNG supersedes NBASEBALL. We can argue over whether this meets GNG, but NBASEBALL is certainly not owed any respect up against GNG; in fact, the opposite is true. Also, I would strongly argue that the New York Daily News piece certainly contributes to GNG as do the profiles in the smattering of newspapers that have written profiles essentially on what happened to this first round pick that went nowhere. These types of pieces don't get written on every other minor league baseball player, which indicates that this one is particularly notable. Obviously, because he never played in the major leagues, he doesn't pass NBASEBALL. I would argue, however, that -- with a similar level of obviousness -- the significant coverage in numerous reliable secondary sources confers notability as per GNG.  Go  Phightins  !  04:34, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * One more source: he's discussed for about a paragraph and a half as emblematic of the Phillies' drafting philosophy in this book. (not sure if that link will point to the page, but it's pp. 140-41  Go   Phightins  !  04:38, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Almost all of the sources are WP:MILL with the only one that's really not being the feature article on him failing. I don't think that gets him near the WP:GNG line. SportingFlyer  talk  04:53, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It would seem to me that several articles also cited move towards that threshold. Feature article on his juxtaposition with other Phillies prospects Article on his release that discuss the Phillies' drafting philosophy ... that drafting philosophy clearly changed, in part, due to picks like Hewitt, as articles such as these, also in mainstream reliable sources, discuss at length . I am not trying to be pedantic or protective since I wrote this article like five years ago -- I hardly edit anymore -- but it just seems to me like this is a fairly obvious case of meeting GNG by being a unique case that is covered directly in the literature on the team plus a few articles on him specifically. That's FAR more than the run-of-the-mill coverage minor leaguers get in game write-ups from local newspapers. That's not what this coverage is (although there's plenty of that too; I would agree -- that is run-of-the-mill). These are almost a dozen articles from a variety of perspectives indicating his relevance to the organization that, to me, clearly meet the GNG threshold.  Go   Phightins  !  03:02, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete fails WP:NBASEBALL and doesn't otherwise pass WP:GNG. We don't need an article about every former draft pick. SportingFlyer  talk  01:57, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with Go Phightins! that this article passes GNG. Certainly, we should not have an article about every former draft pick, but first round picks tend to receive more coverage than lower round picks. Lepricavark (talk) 04:38, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - agree with above. Article passes WP:GNG. Good inline citations.BabbaQ (talk) 09:47, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets GNG. Rlendog (talk) 13:40, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Agree with all above. Meets WP:GNG, which overrides WP:NBASEBALL. Ejgreen77 (talk) 11:08, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete does not meet the notability guidelines for baseball players. The claims he meets GNG are based on a way too broad reading of the types of articles that add to GNG.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:02, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete The citations in the article are just routine coverage, not substantial coverage of the subject. - Bbny-wiki-editor (talk) 00:00, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Even if that is the case, notability is not just based on sources that happen to be in the article at the time. GoPhigtins provided additional non-routine sources.  I don't see how an article like this can be considered "routine." Rlendog (talk) 13:27, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * If that's what counts for substantial coverage, then literally tens of thousands of high school and college athletes should have pages here, since it's common for such athletes to be profiled a time or two in a local media outlet. - Bbny-wiki-editor (talk) 23:49, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep has enough substantial coverage in reliable sources to pass WP:GNG Atlantic306 (talk) 17:04, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete: At this time, lacking other !votes, there is a no consensus so we can keep and revisit later. I can only see the notability of a minor league sports figure that got fired for doing pretty much nothing. Alright: A "first round pick" (that got some meadia coverage) that failed expectations but was retained for a long period and still failing to produce (improve substancially) and was fired. This is actually "exactly" providing an exception to "We don't need an article about every former draft pick" so we can have such articles. A minor league baseball player with the notability of being "one of" Phils' early-round draft failures over the last decade. It could use a subtitle "first round pick that went nowhere". Otr500 (talk) 11:19, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 16:30, 11 May 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to List of Philadelphia Phillies first-round draft picks where he is mentioned. Spanneraol (talk) 17:41, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - I fixed a couple of sources. It would be great to see more, but I think what we have just meets the threshold. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  01:32, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 06:40, 19 May 2018 (UTC)


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