Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anthony Palermo


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  01:04, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Anthony Palermo

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There are many Anthony Palermos, but despite the claims in the article (and the 'revamp' tag) I can't find anything notable about this one.   SIS   21:29, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Author created two different versions of the article (casing variation), one of which I tagged for CSD. The only claim to notability here is his "alliance", which is allegedly linked to from a notable website. That in and of itself could possibly establish notability for the organization, but certainly not for the person. Even so, a cursory GSearch returns nothing of particular value. The rest is just unverifiable autobiographical content. §FreeRangeFrog 21:33, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - No reliable sources to support any claim of notability in this autobiography. Morbidthoughts (talk) 21:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment The Terran Atheist Alliance does exist, at least in the form of a website incorporating a forum operating since at least October 2008. I'd be happier to see outside reliable references rather than the collection given. (The Richard Dawkins one is a 'list your org' section.) Peridon (talk) 21:46, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment This page is still undergoing construction. I was unaware of the strict time frame given to actually finish a page. Some references are still being sought. Sir towlie (talk) 21:48, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This is not about a time frame, it's about notability.   SIS   21:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * There isn't actually a time limit - unless your article gets tagged. What this means is that someone doubts that it will ever be suitable. It's best to get your notability established quickly and then fill in afterwards. To contest this proposed deletion successfully, you need to show at least a certain notability that seems currently lacking. Reliable outside reference. That's what you need. Myspace and anything self-published, the National Enquirer, The Sun - no. Other people referring to you - in reliable places, yes. Peridon (talk) 21:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment Regarding the Pace Senza Dio thing, it's an alternative community (not mainstream) that the music is played to. There's certainly notability from what I saw when I attended the debut. The photography is also featured in this alternative community and prints have been sold and displayed. I'm not sure notability should only include information that has been published on the Internet. To my knowledge when a work is displayed in a gallery or a song is debuted at an alternative club it's not going to automatically have a news page dedicated to it. Sir towlie (talk) 22:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, Wikipedia likes things that are verifiable. Internet from reliable places or checkable books or reliable newspapers or magazines that aren't self-published. Something published in the Guardian is likely notable and checkable. Something alleged to be published in the Downby-in-the-Swamp Enquirer and Almanac probably isn't, and is extremely difficult to verify, seeing as it's a two men one girl and a cat operation with no internet. Other stuff gets classed as OR (Original Research). I'll leave you to imagine the junk we'd get landed with otherwise. (The stuff we DO get landed with that gets deleted...) That's why I made the point of establishing notability. It's not that we are casting aspirins. We're wanting something verifiable. We want articles, but we have to filter out the junk. Sometimes something good has to go because it doesn't fit the standards, sometimes something not so good gets through because unfortunately it does. If this gets deleted, read the relevant policies people have quoted, and take a bit longer to set things up again. Ask for help if unsure - most established editors will help if asked nicely. Peridon (talk) 19:24, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * comment Thanks Sir towlie (talk) 20:24, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep One of the references provided shows that the composer of Pace Senza Dio is notable as it's in a DJ set-list for the club referenced. Sir towlie (talk) 22:29, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   --  Raven1977 Talk to me My edits  04:42, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   --  Raven1977 Talk to me My edits  04:42, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * Delete, notability (by WP standards) not shown. -- Hoary (talk) 15:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - I will add that 'notability' and popularity are not the same. Pace Senza Dio exists and has been debuted in a popular alternative Melbourne nightclub. We should be careful that we don't allow Wikipedia to become a catalog of A-list celebrities and remember it's a place where one can source information. Sir towlie (talk) 20:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: Established Wikipedia editors know that notability and popularity are not the same thing, much in the same way that we know a book and an automobile are not the same thing. Your best bet is to read the relevant and well-established guidelines as to what constitutes notability (like this one), and judge whether or not it is possible to fix your article accordingly. Steamroller Assault (talk) 21:12, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia already has dozens of Z-list slebs (participants in Big Brother and so forth); however, those slebs have been in what pass for the news, etc., and they've verifiably been on the boob tube, watched by millions or anyway tens of thousands. It's not a place where people "source information", unless those people are somewhat dimwitted undergraduates on their way to failing their courses. Instead, it's a place where reliably sourced information is summarized. You're only 21; just wait till you become a sleb and then others will eagerly use published material about you to create an article about you. -- Hoary (talk) 00:15, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Funnily enough, a musician that has had their music played in clubs has done more than a Big Brother contestant. Actually first requiring talent and achievement to get public recognition. Sir towlie (talk) 09:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So precisely where is evidence of this "public recognition"? Links to articles in Melbourne newspapers or similar, please. -- Hoary (talk) 09:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as i find no evidence of notability. Being named on a setlist at a club shows someone with this name exists, that is all.Yobmod (talk) 13:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Upon checking the references to the MySpace and Facebook musician pages, one can clearly cite the composers' name as being Anthony Palermo. Sir towlie (talk) 23:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete despite the highly reliable sources MySpace and Facebook, I don't think there's enough notability here. --Crusio (talk) 00:23, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: no reliable 3rd party sources WP:MUSICBIO. JamesBurns (talk) 05:26, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - Upon investigation of other Wikipedia entries, one can find many pages pertaining to supposedly 'notable' individuals with few or no references at all. Collaboration of all the information provided by the references at very least proves that Anthony Palermo is the founder of the Terran Atheist Alliance and is the composer of Pace Senza Dio which has been played at a popular alternative Melbourne nightclub. Sir towlie (talk) 06:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sir towlie, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. --Crusio (talk) 08:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.